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Previous anger towards SIL and BIL is back!

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typingcake · 23/09/2022 10:30

This is a bit of a novel but the back story is kind of needed.

Basically I feel very angry towards SIL and BIL and I'll be spending a weekend with them later in the year …

My husband and I have been together for over 17 years and married for 12 of those.

I always got on ok with my SIL, we don’t have anything in common but there has always been polite chit-chat during visits. Tho we don’t hang out together.

She has 2 older girls, high school and primary age. I’ve got a boy who is now 4. I’ve always felt that she and BIL have a kind of know-it-all / matter-of-fact way of telling you how it is… like if I say he’s teething badly, he’s been misbehaving at nursery , he’s waking at 5am every day then they’ll immediately cut you off and say ‘that’s what it’s like’, ‘it’s a phase’, ‘we went through that and this is what to do’ … that’s all fine and everything but there seems to be a lack of listening and empathy and more telling you how it was for them and how it should be for you. (not sure I’m explaining that properly).

Anyway, cut to the first lockdown in March 2020. My bow was 1 year and 10 months old. We immediately had aggressive behaviour from our boy, for about a week then he settled into the routine of being home. Nursery was closed for 17 weeks and when he started back (at just turned 2) the aggression came back. We then had 9 weeks of this behaviour. He would be ok then a ‘tantrum’ would start – mostly with no trigger we could identify. Except these didn’t feel like his usual tantrums. He would physically attack us – biting, hitting, scratching… if we put him down he would harm himself – banging his head, punching himself in the face, scratching himself… or he would throw anything and everything at us, and if we cleared everything away he would try to flip the table or go for the lamp. The meltdowns could go on for up to 4.5 hours and we really tried everything to diffuse them.

We were obviously upset and when this first started, within days we mentioned it to BIL and SIL and we were immediately met with ‘what did you expect?’, ‘they’re called tantrums’, ‘that’s what having a child is like’, ‘they don’t call it the terrible two’s for nothing!’, ‘you’re not the only people with children’… and when we tried to explain that his behaviour has changed overnight and could be linked to the change of routine that was dismissed – we were labelled as dramatic first time parents. When I brough up him harming himself I was told by SIL that ‘no, he isn’t’, when I described exactly what he was doing (as mentioned above) she said he didn’t know what he was doing and didn’t mean it… she then changed the subject abruptly and after that they stopped asking how he was and it was never mentioned till we next saw them in the garden for a socially distanced birthday meal. Where my boy was brilliantly behaved – which she pointed out – ‘he seems ok now, see, it’s just a phase’. This was after he was given a slice of chocolate cake the size of his head and a party bag! And the behaviour was still going on but again dismissed when I pointed this out.

I was very angry and upset by how they responded to it all.

Since then we don’t see much of SIL and BIL. Husband and I felt disappointed by their judgement and lack of support. I put myself into counselling a year ago to try and process it all and get my anger, mostly with SIL, out of my system as well as deal with the stress I’d been through and some other personal issues.

Going back to the terrible behaviour July 2020 – A few weeks into it, when there was no let up I called the health visitor who was brilliant. She got us Zoom behavioural workshops and did a home visit later in the year. And the nursery manager, who had the same behaviour from him, was brilliant and called us regularly to work with us to try and support him as best they could. We didn’t get to the bottom of his behaviour and the HV said it was too early to say but that it was likely the disruption to his routine and said he was displaying behaviour similar to children who had been through some sort of trauma. I did ask if she thought he might havd ADHD or something else and she said he was too young for that kind of assessment unless he had severe symptoms, which he didn’t. Nursery allowed us a place at their hub for the second lockdown and when he was back in his routine his behaviour was great and he thrived. He was a different boy – it was like night and day.

As his mum I do notice things: has only started jumping, doesn’t like to wear new jackets or shoes, has a fear of new things, diet has narrowed down, hums a lot, shouts one word repeatedly, still hits his hear or eye when he’s excited, has some pronunciation trouble and a bunch of other stuff. Then recently nursery had weeks of bad behaviour (which we think was due to about 15 3 year olds moving up to his room and some of his friends going to school), he was hitting and throwing and having meltdowns for up to 1.5 hours where they had to remove him from the room and take him into the office. The manager had me in for a meeting and while it was upsetting she was brilliant, she said she wanted to observe him for 4 weeks as she thought he could have an ASN or difficulty processing his emotions. During the observation they put different methods into place to support him and he responded really well and he’s not been removed from the room since the observation period which was July. The manager said she’s pleased with his progress and doesn’t feel the need to take it further.

But I decided to call the health visitor myself just for piece of mind and if there is something going on my husband and I just want to be able to support him as best we can, ahead of him going to school next year. When I got the call back we had a recap on the previous behaviourla stuff and how he’s been brilliant since then but how he had been having difficulty recently. Then I read her some of the things from the list above and more and she said there were some things that stood out and could indicate autism. She asked what our expectations were and I said we just wanted him to thrive and if we could get to the bottom of it all and could put a name to it then we could support him, as I said above. And she agreed.. So she’s coming out in October for a home visit and will also speak to nursery. She thinks he will likely go on the very long waiting list for an autism assessment (sorry I don’t know the correct terms or name for it).

So… that what’s been going on and this is where we are at. Husband and I decided not to tell any of our family (both sides) what’s going on till we know a bit more as we just don’t want the judgement. We’d rather be in a position to say ‘our boy has this, this is how we support him, this is how you can support him when he’s at your place’.

Now the reason for my post: since nursery said he may be ASN and HV now saying it could be autism… I feel incredibly angry towards BIL and SIL. I know that all happened 2 years ago and I thought I’d gotten over it… but it makes me extremely cross when I think about what they said and how shit husband and I were made to feel… how they just brushed it all off when all along my boy may be autistic and that’s why he reacted how he did. How we were not listened to and supported in any way.

Coming up we have a family weekend away to celebrate a big family anniversary and we’ll be staying in a big barn with them there… as we don’t see them often they will likely see some of his behaviour over the 2 night stay. They may point it out. They will likely think we’re too lenient with him and not strict enough… they may just think he’s spoilt or a bad child? This is just me getting ahead of myself I know… but I can’t help thinking about it ansd expecting the worst. They always just tell us 'how it is' and pass judgement and I'm not really feeling prepared for that so I'm apprehensive about the whole thing.

So here is my AIBU bit…

AIBU to have all this anger towards them?

And any advice on how to let it go / deal with it better / how to be in their presence?

OP posts:
typingcake · 23/09/2022 11:59

Calmdown14 · 23/09/2022 11:52

OP what are the current issues in your nephew's and niece's lives?

Is that a question you can answer???

Yes I can answer that actually. They all have very different issues due to age etc. I have 9 nieces and nephews ranging from 4 to 18. Mine is the youngest. I've always been involved in their lives. I still am.

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GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 23/09/2022 11:59

I don't understand why you are so angry with them. What did you expect them to do other than offer advice from their own perspective/experience? They are not paediatricians or health care professionals.

And why do you need to put a label on your son's behaviour? Maybe he is just learning patterns from your own erratic behaviour.

Where is his Dad is all of this?

This all happened two years ago and you're still raging about it? That's not normal.

Bananarama21 · 23/09/2022 11:59

You clearly have, as you mentioned several incidents in which you do so in your op then have the cheek to complain about them not answering to you in the manner in which you want them to. What do you know about the lives of your neice and nephew.. someone asked but you haven't answered

Bananarama21 · 23/09/2022 12:01

What do you know about this sil and bil children?

Floweryflora · 23/09/2022 12:01

Bananarama21 · 23/09/2022 11:59

You clearly have, as you mentioned several incidents in which you do so in your op then have the cheek to complain about them not answering to you in the manner in which you want them to. What do you know about the lives of your neice and nephew.. someone asked but you haven't answered

I’m afraid I need to agree. And you seem to be back tracking you say you had to put yourself into therapy to deal with your anger over your sil then back track and say it was mainly work stress

you kid was two no one was diagnosing, they have done nothing wrong.

are you still in therapy?

MelodyPondsMum · 23/09/2022 12:03

Some people think if you bring them issues, you want solutions. Their reference points were their DCs so they used those experiences. They weren't wrong about your DC - even though you feel they were. Experts wouldn't give a diagnosis at that stage either and DCs can be unpredictable and settle; or behaviour can continue and develop, and then there's a possible diagnosis. It's recommended not to try to diagnose other people's DCs.

I think you're misdirecting your emotions around your DC. You're worried and upset, and it's easier to focus that on your ILs than to process how you feel about your DC's possible diagnosis. Nothing your ILs said or did would have changed where you are now.

typingcake · 23/09/2022 12:03

MrsPerfect12 · 23/09/2022 11:53

Negative conversations are a drain on others mental health. Off loading every time you seen them about your problems isn't appropriate. They're trying to be up beat and keep things positive.

I don't offload every time I see them, thanks!

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Calmdown14 · 23/09/2022 12:03

I'm totally confused by the timescales and how much you see them then as the last conversation was 2020.

From your posts it feels like you are preparing for confrontation. This won't help you.

What is it you would like them to do? If this is your husband's family then you just need to let things go.

You've said they aren't your support network. Treat them as you would work colleagues. Don't rock the boat and share surface level only

PumpkinDart · 23/09/2022 12:04

I feel like I could have posted parts of this myself. My daughter now 6 has ASD, I've struggled with her behaviour from very young and each time various family members were dismissive, rude and patronising when I raised it. They'd tell me she's "absolutely fine" and that I was being a helicopter parent.

Since her diagnosis some members of our family have apologised for being unsupportive and my MiL has said she feels very guilty for not noticing things or supporting us, my brother however has been so unsupportive. Expressed "extreme surprise" at her diagnosis and noted that she's always fine with him (when she sees him once or twice a year 🙄).

Expect some kickback if that's the kind of people they are but I would shut it down with a "well let's default to the professionals and their views"

Cognacsoft · 23/09/2022 12:05

@typingcake I think you’re attaching too much importance to your sil and bil.
What matters is you, your dh and your dc.
You just happen to be related to these people and probably wouldn’t choose them as friends.
In your mind try to reframe them as acquaintances that you have to meet up with occasionally but have no real bearing on your life.
Their views are not important or relevant.

If you are talking to your sil keep responses short and try cutting her off sometimes, eg. Oh sorry sil, I just want to chat to xxx.
At present she thinks she is more important than you, change the perspective.
If she comments on dc behaviour just reply
We prefer to be guided by professionals thanks.

Take back control.

typingcake · 23/09/2022 12:05

Floweryflora · 23/09/2022 11:56

I even asked SIL if we could bubble with them and she said no and gave no reason. So we felt cut off from them and I can say that it wasn't me who made that choice.

why did you ask this if you’re not close? It’s starting to come across like you crave their attention and input and they are not engaging.

for my son to have other people to interact with other than my next door neighbour and the postman

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YouSirNeighMmmm · 23/09/2022 12:06

mamabear715 · 23/09/2022 10:37

In a kind way, you seem to be overreacting a little re SIL / BIL.. they sound horrible people but we meet horrible people all the time.. just give them a wide berth when you're at the family 'do'.
Tbh I'd be worrying more about the effect a large gathering might have on your DS.
ASD definitely sounds likely, so plan your weekend around making it easier for him. Hope this helps, am not criticising you!

Yeah... at worst they are bad people, at best they are not your kind of people. Keep contact with them to a minimum and never speak to them about your son.

Floweryflora · 23/09/2022 12:06

At present she thinks she is more important than you, change the perspective

thsts a reach!

Floweryflora · 23/09/2022 12:07

typingcake · 23/09/2022 12:05

for my son to have other people to interact with other than my next door neighbour and the postman

But you’ve best friends, 9 nephews and nieces. Why ask someone who you’re not close to?

sóhâ‚‚wlÌ¥ · 23/09/2022 12:07

properdoughnut · 23/09/2022 10:43

You were expecting to much from them. They are those shit "know it all" parents who don't do support and think everybody is the same as them. Just channel your inner elsa and let it goooo. If they try to talk to you about him just leave it be don't engage.

This.

I do get the annoyance- MIL drove me mad with x says this x says that - and x also giving unasked for advice. It took no account that my DC were

saraclara · 23/09/2022 12:08

they will likely see some of his behaviour over the 2 night stay. They may point it out. They will likely think we’re too lenient with him and not strict enough

Just say "we are dealing with his behaviour according to advice from a professional, while awaiting a diagnosis"

If they continue... "I'm sorry, I can see that our response to his behaviour is different from what you would do, but it's important that we are consistent in following the strategies that we've been given by a professional"

I'm a retired teacher of autistic children and those are the phrases I gave the parents to use when family disapproved of the behaviour strategies we were using.

Cognacsoft · 23/09/2022 12:08

Floweryflora · 23/09/2022 12:06

At present she thinks she is more important than you, change the perspective

thsts a reach!

Not if sil is actively discounting OP’s take on her own dc’s behaviour.

Floweryflora · 23/09/2022 12:10

Cognacsoft · 23/09/2022 12:08

Not if sil is actively discounting OP’s take on her own dc’s behaviour.

What? It was two years ago when the lad was two

typingcake · 23/09/2022 12:11

Floweryflora · 23/09/2022 12:07

But you’ve best friends, 9 nephews and nieces. Why ask someone who you’re not close to?

Because during lockdown we did not have a car and they were the closest friends and family. Once we asked if we could meet at a playwark and they suggested 1 that would have been to far to walk to and when we pointed this out they were reluctant to meet us at a nearby one because they had been lots and were bored of it. I'm kind of glad we didn't bubble with them. I get that people seem confused I'd ask to bubble with them – but that was my trying to put it aside and rise above my own ridiculousness.

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sóhâ‚‚wlÌ¥ · 23/09/2022 12:11

I seem to be having real issues posting this morning - half my post is gone.

My main point was people often think they are being "helpful" and supportive when they dismiss concerns - and often don't realise they are not.

I've experienced this with one of mine - I'm glad I didn't listen and perused support but did feel shitty at the time. Best try not to dwell and focus on what can be done to help your child.

Floweryflora · 23/09/2022 12:13

Op,do you work or have much going on in your life? You seem to hold,onto grudges for a very long time and the play park thing is just petty

Vapeyvapevape · 23/09/2022 12:16

The thing is op , people are never going to be as interested in your child as you are . They were just reacting as many people would and it's always difficult when talking about someone else's child to be critical and so cause offence that way .

MajorCarolDanvers · 23/09/2022 12:16

I am sorry you are going through all this but I think that you are quite out of proportion in how much blame you are placing on BIL and SIL.

Everyone's communications were shit during lockdowns and everyone was tense. So they handled some conversations badly but (so did we all back then) you need to let that go.

typingcake · 23/09/2022 12:17

Calmdown14 · 23/09/2022 12:03

I'm totally confused by the timescales and how much you see them then as the last conversation was 2020.

From your posts it feels like you are preparing for confrontation. This won't help you.

What is it you would like them to do? If this is your husband's family then you just need to let things go.

You've said they aren't your support network. Treat them as you would work colleagues. Don't rock the boat and share surface level only

We haven't really spoke about his behaviour since 2020 but we've seen them since then.

Due to previous interactions I'm expecting the usual sweeping statements, talked over, conversation moved on after they say their bit… it's not wrong of me wanting to be prepared for that is it?

I'd like them not to question us when they don't listen to our responses or cut us off.

I'd like for me not to get upset. That's just me. I can't help who I am. I hear all of what you're saying – some of out seems harsh. But I'm not disagreeing unless I see I've not explained something right. I just want to be in a better place to deal with it wether it's me saying 'no actually…' or it's me just ignoring it and busying myself …

I'm not trying to justify my behaviour or feelings and looking for validation. I just don't want to feel judged or attached or be able to shrug it off if I do feel that.

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Musti · 23/09/2022 12:17

Hi op. As annoying as it must have been, I think they were trying to be helpful, to not worry you. And from what they have experienced with the snapshots that they see.

Years ago, when I had little knowledge of asd, I probably would have behaved liked your SIL. I know a lot more now.

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