Diana and Charles Questions

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So this is not a AIBU but it's an ATBU for are THEY being unreasonable.

I have seen a lot of you tube shorts marking the 25 year death of Lady Diana Spencer/the princess. They say she was a devoted mum and participated in the boys' school events, gave them macdonald's ect. Was a lovely, normal mum. I don't dispute that. Even though she died just before I was born so i hardly know anything about her, i think she is amazing and did not deserve to die. That brings me on to how some people said she wrote in her diary that she thought Charles was planning to kill her (staging an accident) so he could marry Camilla and that she knew something was wrong with the brakes in her car. For any of you who don't know, she died in a car accident in Paris on August 31rd 1997.

She was the people's princess and adored by all, she was one of us as her children went to public schools, she dressed casual. ect.

I also have some questions:

• Where was Diana buried, I know she had a state funeral thing?
• Did Diana see her kids much after the divorce?
• If Diana was alive now, what would her position be?
• Charles did not mention Diana in his becoming king speech - he could have said 'And the boys' mother who taught them so much' or something - do you think he should have?

YABU: They are being unreasonable and Charles did not order Diana's murder
YANBU: They are not being unreasonable and Charles did order Diana's murder

She was buried privately. Her proper service was also private. That big do in London didn't have her in it so at least the children didn't have to follow their dead mother through the streets.

I think she tried her best but she was a child and probably mentally unwell (and made worse by circumstance). She actively courted the press and then complained about it. If she had just wore a seat belt that night she would have lived.

She wasn't in the coffin? Interesting.

I was in my twenties and utterly baffled at the British public and the 180 that they did before and after she died.
She'd lost a lot of the sympathy she gained for the Bashir interview when the stories of her various affairs came out, and that summer she was holidaying practically non stop and the tabloids were trashing her.

Then she died and it was all about what a saint she was.

But the worst was the baying of the public to drag two grieving children back to London, away from the privacy of Balmoral and parade them in a ceremonial funeral that was against the wishes of the Spencer family - they wanted a private funeral to protect the boys and the public demanded otherwise.

She was buried privately. Her proper service was also private. That big do in London didn't have her in it so at least the children didn't have to follow their dead mother through the streets.

How are you privy to this information may I ask?

they wanted a private funeral to protect the boys and the public demanded otherwise.

That's nonsense. How did the public 'demand' the sort of funeral she had.

Are you saying it was put to a vote? Because I can assure you it wasn't. It was nothing to do with 'demands' from the public.

How members of the royal family are buried is something the British public have absolutely no say in.

Baying of the press, who described what they were doing as “reflecting the public mood” (I would say whipping up public hysteria”, but there you go).

But yes the tabloids would never have shut up about it if she’d had a private funeral, and they did absolutely hound the Queen to bring the two boys back to London and out in public. Even Tony Blair leaned on the Royal Family, and I doubt he gave a shit either way how she was buried.

Don't know about that, seems bizarre but there is certainly a belief in the area of Althrop that she is not buried on the island but was moved to the Spencer family vault after the public events.

Baying of the press, who described what they were doing as "reflecting the public mood" (I would say whipping up public hysteria", but there you go)

Yes, and you'd be right.

The tabloid are always claiming that they are 'reflecting the public mood' when in fact, more often than not, they're leading the 'public mood' and a lot of their readership will jump on any bandwagon.

The gutter press has a lot to answer for.

Baring in mind the boys were both children. And she was divorced from Charles. The Spencers were really Next of Kin if they had said No your not parading her body round London the Royals would have respected that.

TBH the Royals would have quite happy for the issue to go away.

Philip seems to take a lot of stick for Diana’s funeral but it must have brought back horrible memories for him too.

Baring in mind the boys were both children. And she was divorced from Charles. The Spencers were really Next of Kin if they had said No your not parading her body round London the Royals would have respected that.

You think an estranged uncle is closer kin than their actual dad? And Earl Spencer seemed to be doing quite a lot of the hysteria-whipping himself remember his speeches?, it was the Royal Family who stayed in Balmoral and avoided appearing in public.

It certainly wouldn't have been the boys decision to have a Royal Ceremonial funeral for her.

If her brother and sisters had said she was having a private funeral to spare the boys then that would have been the end of it.

The press absolutely whipped up the public hysteria against the royal family. They had too - until they did that the entire focus was on her being chased to her death by them.

Switching the focus to the royal family ignoring the public and creating a drama over the flag at Buckingham Palace was purely to deflect anger away from them.

Given they were slating her just weeks and days before her death the hypocrisy was very strong in that area.

How is an ex husband closer than siblings?

How many people have their ex arrange their funeral

I remember all the criticism of the Queenat the time for staying in Balmoral with the boys and keeping them away from all the hoo hah. It really was a strange time, people openly grieving and carrying on in public.

There was massive pressure on the royal family, headlines saying 'ma'am your people need you' demands to know why the flag wasn't flying at half mast etc

Eventually they gave in to that pressure and brought the boys back to London, had a ceremonial funeral and William and Harry walked behind the coffin with their father, grandfather and uncle.

The Queen may have regretted that decision later but as I said it was a strange time and people's reaction was unprecedented.

I think the Royal Family and senior civil servants were caught totally by surprise and had to make very quick decisions.

Yes i've read that the locals seem to think that she was actually cremated and interred in the family chutch at Little Brington. I have visited Althorp and it seemed very odd that she is supposedly buried on that tiny little island in a very shallow lake.

I worked with a guy that lives local to the church where the family vault is. He said that not long after she died there was a flurry of activity with what looked like private security and cctv going up in the church

Obviously I have no idea if he was telling the truth but seems plausible that the family didn’t want the real burial place public considering how crazy everyone went after she died

i am not sure she was a royal when she died.
and yes the pubic were baying for a huge funeral, elton john sung, people cried and threw flowers over the hearse.

even prince harry has commented on the ludicriousness of people crying, people who didnt know his mother

She did not have state funeral.

@MrsLargeEmbodied
She was divorced when she died. So really her funeral was in the hands of the Spencer family.

The RF got a huge slating for not making a hoo-hah of the funeral and it was at a time where their reputation was on a knife’s edge so they could really have done with towing the public’s line (even if the public completely fucking lost the run of themselves)

I think she might have been in love with the idea of love ,it must have quite flattering as a naive 19 year old for a much older man who was the heir to the throne saying he wanted to marry her
It was very wrong of them all to arrange such an unsuitable marriage ,even apart from the large age gap they can't have had much in common..

The Earl Spencer is an absolute twat of a human being and used the funeral of his sister - from whom he was estranged - to stick the boot in on the RF and used the boys as leverage. From that diabolical eulogy to making the sign of the cross outside a CofE church his behaviour was deplorable

I remember all the criticism of the Queenat the time for staying in Balmoral with the boys and keeping them away from all the hoo hah. It really was a strange time, people openly grieving and carrying on in public

Yes and looking back it seemed her and Charles were the only people looking out for the boys at the time. The footage of them in London meeting crowds who were crying in their face about their own mum (who the loons had never met) is, in hindsight, utterly fucking bonkers

Sorry to de rail ,but is it considered poor form to make the sign of the cross in a C of E church?
I was brought up as a Catholic.