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School is awful!

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anerki101 · 20/09/2022 09:56

DS has just started his second week in reception. It'd bloody awful, miserable and I hate every moment of it.

Firstly, getting up early is just dreadful. I'm not a morning person. I can set various different alarms, with different tones on different devices and I don't hear a single one. I have to rely on poor DH to wake me up. Sometimes I don't hear him and he has to flick me with water.

Before I had DS I had this problem with working FT too. The drudge of waking up at an ungodly hour five days a week. Spending all day in an environment you'd rather not be in with people you'd rather not be with. I'm terrible with routine and having commitments.

Then there's navigating the school run which is the worst kind of torture and you have to do it twice a day. Getting there early enough to find somewhere within walking distance to park or end up trudging miles in the pissing rain. All the parents seem to know each other already and stand around chatting in cliques.

DS is incredibly shy and struggle socially. He seems to get overlooked, forgotten and ignored. I worry dreadfully about him. He doesn't know how to interact with the other children. I fear he's going to get lost in the system both socially and educationally. He didn't eat his Yoghurt one day at school because he couldn't open it. My fault for sending something he couldn't open but I felt terrible he wasn't confident enough to ask one of the lunch time supervisors for help.

I can't help but feel it's wrong as a society that we inflict this on our four year old children. Dragging them out of bed when it's still dark, ignoring their natural body clock, shoving a slice of toast down their throats and sending them off into an unfamiliar environment five days a week. DS has only just turned four and can't yet wipe his own bum. I dread him doing a poo at school and prey that he at least does it towards the end of the day so he doesn't have to spend long covered in his own shit. He still has to be reminded to drink and every day so far he's come home with his water bottle still full to the rim.

It feels so wrong to send a just turned four year old into an environment where he has no help with wiping his bum and no encouragement to drink.

Before anyone starts, I don't for one minute blame the school or DS' teachers. They are brilliant. My issue is with the system itself. The society that requires us to send our children into this environment.

Yes, I know I don't have to. I could homeschool. But it's not that easy is it. Society isn't set up for parents to home school. Mostly, both parents need to work outside the home full time just to keep a roof over their heads.

Nursery was a far better environment. Ds went 15 hours a week. Enough for him to spend time with people outside rhe immediate family and enough for me to have a bit of time to get things done without him in tow. We could choose the hours best suited to us and what worked best for DS. Drinking wasn't an issue. He had help when using the toilet.

I know there was the option to defer school for a year and keep him in nursery for another year but we simply couldn't afford to do this. Also, DS was ready for school in an educational sense just not in an emotional and social sense.

The house feels empty without him too. I feel his absence in the silence.

Just musing really. It's nice to get my thoughts out.

Every day I pick him up from school he isn't himself. He's tired and emotional and has a tantrum over something minor before we've even walked through the front door. It's like he's holding himself in all day and letting it out when he's back with me.

He didn't even manage the first week at school, he caught covid on day four!

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KweenieBeanz · 20/09/2022 11:35

Just for all those posting about their horror that we send 4 year olds to school.... 4 year olds do not start 'formal school' in the UK. They go in to the second year of the Early Years Foundation Stage, where learning is done through play, generally with free flow between outdoors and indoors. Many reception classrooms have few chairs as the children spend much of their day playing with toys either stood at a station of their choosing, or on the carpet, or outside. It is not the formal monstrosity people like to make out and is comparable to preschool nursery settings, and the kindergarten environments most developed countries use for children this age. Yes they will learn letters but they will do so using fun games on the whiteboard, learning songs, listening to stories. I've spent lots of time in reception classes where children are playing in the home corner or pretend play area, building train tracks /Lego on the carpet, painting, drawing pictures, junk modelling, looking at story books.

Why do people make out that this is a formal, nasty 'school' for 4 year olds when they largely spend the day playing?

EatAllDay · 20/09/2022 11:36

just saw the time you get up. How about getting up later? Have a vibrating alarm? Consider moving DS to the closer school. Would it be a big deal to arrive late each day; 5 mins late. Avoid the traffic & queues.

YouOKHun · 20/09/2022 11:36

LunchBoxPolice · 20/09/2022 10:45

I was going to question possible neurodiversity too. I have adhd/autism and struggle with a lot of the things you do too.

Me too. I read your OP and thought to myself mmm, welcome to my world! I tend not to comment until others have mentioned ADHD too as many people don’t understand how it manifests in adult women and are often dismissive.

I was diagnosed with ADHD at 52 so I spent a long time feeling apart from all the other “proper adults” who seemed to be able to find the motivation and organisation and didn’t appear to have a constant sense of being rejected and being rejectable and didn’t appear to feel constantly overwhelmed. I had to take everything to the wire to get the motivation to do it - an MSc dissertation written in 10 days having spent the previous 3 months ignoring it, that kind of massively unhelpful behaviour.

I held it together but having children is probably when the wheels came off. I felt very uncomfortable in the school environment probably partly because School had been incredibly tough for me and I wish there had been an understanding of it back then. I have to say that in my experience schools, even these days, are very often not up to speed with ADHD at all (depends on the school). I think my recent experience was bad because the ADHD was my daughter’s and the particular manifestations of ADHD in girls is not well understood.

Getting a diagnosis isn’t a magic bullet but medication helped me. What helped more was having a reason - it has helped me to not be so hard on myself and to find specific methods to help me tackle adulting.

arethereanyleftatall · 20/09/2022 11:37

I absolutely agree @KweenieBeanz
It's the word 'school' which seems to promote shock and horror, whereas what they actually do is pretty much the same as nursery.

ssd · 20/09/2022 11:38

Aww. My baby is hundreds of mile away starting a new job and i just want to pick him up at 3.15pm and bring him home.

KweenieBeanz · 20/09/2022 11:38

arethereanyleftatall · 20/09/2022 11:37

I absolutely agree @KweenieBeanz
It's the word 'school' which seems to promote shock and horror, whereas what they actually do is pretty much the same as nursery.

Honestly think it's really unfair to reception teachers, people imagine children are sat at desks doing worksheets..... The EYFS is very, very similar to what Scandinavian children do in preschools at this age. They just don't call it 'school' 🙄

dragspeiljunge · 20/09/2022 11:38

The only way I cope is by going to bed early - I really don't want to but there's no other option, I am totally miserable otherwise. Mine still wake me up anytime from 05.30 so have never needed an alarm...

pinok · 20/09/2022 11:39

I get it.
I massively struggle with waking and getting up early, it’s extremely difficult. I’ve always had evening or nights jobs as the sleep pattern suits me.

now I’ve had kids I’m like you and we get everything done and we get to school on time but it’s a struggle and I hate it. Yes I suck it up and get on with it for the sake of my child but it’s miserable and I hate always thinking ‘why can’t everyone else manage except me I must be broken’

I have a coffee pod machine in my bedroom so I can make a coffee without leaving bed and the caffeine hit does help me function better.

RandomMess · 20/09/2022 11:39

My 2nd DC was in bed and straight asleep at 6pm for the whole of reception she needed a lot of sleep so do try to get him to bed earlier even if you alter it by 10 minutes every few days and you try and be militant about getting to bed as early as you get to sleep.

It's incredibly tough working against your natural body rhythm. Also can you speed up getting out the house so you don't have to wake quite as early? We used to dress the DC, breakfast, teeth out the door. Doing breakfast then dressed took way longer.

If school do a breakfast club that may be worth the money, he gets to play with a smaller group of DC and you get to drop off when it's quieter.

KweenieBeanz · 20/09/2022 11:40

But loads will shout in horror 'children don't go to school til they are 6 in other countries!' no, but they go to very well funded kindergartens and preschools which are.....exactly the same thing as our EYFS /Reception. Ours start 'proper school' in year 1 when they will turn 6 that year!

KweenieBeanz · 20/09/2022 11:42

Also OP. You must have known for the last 12 mths your child would be starting school. Why did you set his body clock to awaken for the day between 8 and 10 when that was never going to be a workable time to get to school?
Children generally waken the same time each day. There's a reason most parents follow a routine that means kids are naturally ready to waken at around 7am, it works for school, jobs, the REST OF THEIR LIFE!

sillysmiles · 20/09/2022 11:44

I'm not in England, but it is not possible to hold him back for a year and let him start next year. He sounds (imo) very young to be starting full time school, especially if he has potential SEN.

Luana1 · 20/09/2022 11:44

It sounds to me like you are a glass half empty kind of person - please be careful this type of negative attitude doesn't rub off on your son. What time is your son getting up that you just have to shove a slice of toast down his throat in the dark? Do you have a 2 hour journey to school or something as the average UK sunrise at the moment is 6:40am.

maddiemookins16mum · 20/09/2022 11:45

lifeturnsonadime · 20/09/2022 10:11

Consider home education for him if it would suit your lifestyle better.

probably one of the worst bits of advice I’ve read on here.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 20/09/2022 11:46

I have to rely on poor DH to wake me up. Sometimes I don't hear him and he has to flick me with water.

I think you need to see your GP. Ask about thyroid issues for a start? You are getting 8 hours sleep a night so no reason for this.

I'm terrible with routine and having commitments.

That's nothing to do with sleep.

He's always been shy and struggled socially. Given your attitude, I'm not surprised. He probably thinks the sun revolves around you and your sleep pattern.

I didn't send him to the nearest school Well, that's your choice! You still have to get him there.

How did you cope when he was a newborn or did you just sleep through everything and rely on your husband to sort it out?

You honestly sound ridiculous and incredibly selfish.

Gozleme · 20/09/2022 11:46

I feel the same way as you (particularly about the early mornings!)

I have a diagnosis of ADHD though and I think that is why I feel this way.

Also one DC has a diagnosis of autism (what was previously known as high functioning which means are struggles are almost invisible in school, but we see the fall out at home)

I am considering home ed at the moment but there are still several reasons why it might not be possible

NameChangeLifeChange · 20/09/2022 11:46

I think you need to grow up a bit. Getting up and ready for the day by 9am isn’t unreasonable. A 4 year old should be able to wipe their bum or be taught relatively quickly.

leatherboundbooks · 20/09/2022 11:47

Even if you don't home educate, education is not compulsory until the term after they turn 5
They grow up so much in the months coming up to that age, I know my son wouldn't have been ready at 4, he was a few months over 5 when he started and such a different child, mind you he could read to a certain extent, he wrote phonetically on a computer keyboard, for example, and benefitted greatly from activities we did and places we went
My daughter would have been ready but she learned to swim in those months, and did so many things with me
Well both of them did, so many activities that will help them learn before statutory age for education. What a horrible phrase, you educate them from being a small baby and all the time they are at school

anerki101 · 20/09/2022 11:47

I don't have an issue with what DS does in the classroom. As I said the teacher and TAs are brilliant and yes, it's mostly play based learning just as at Nursery. This isn't what my issue with school is. It's the rigidity of routine, 4 year olds being on basically a 9 - 5 working pattern five days a week. They don't get help toileting or encouragement to drink like they do at nursery. There are more key workers in the room. Or there was at my dS nursery anyway.

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whatsup00 · 20/09/2022 11:48

She said getting up at 6:45 which is early. I think it's early anyway. It would shock me. I'd see if there's any way you can push it back to 7:15 or so. I do hope over time it becomes easier for you OP!

anerki101 · 20/09/2022 11:49

NameChangeLifeChange · 20/09/2022 11:46

I think you need to grow up a bit. Getting up and ready for the day by 9am isn’t unreasonable. A 4 year old should be able to wipe their bum or be taught relatively quickly.

Well, maybe there is something wrong with my son then because we've been trying to teach him for months and he still can't do it properply. He tries but ends up smearing poo over his bum cheeks which ends up in his pants, etc.

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IScreamAtMichaelangelos · 20/09/2022 11:50

anerki101 · 20/09/2022 10:25

I have to sit in the car now and wait for all the other children to go into school in the morning before I take DS in because the noise is awful. Kids on bikes, kicking footballs, shouting, etc. It's so overwhelming.

This bit leapt out at me OP. I have the same feeling a lot, but am also autistic. This makes changes in life routine especially hard to cope with too.

I only mention this in case it might be relevant to you - please ignore if not.

Pinkpeony2 · 20/09/2022 11:51

You say you hate commitments and routine. Having a child is literally the biggest commitment and children thrive on routine so why did you have a child in the first place. Baffling.
Now you have a child it’s your job to make them feel good about going to school (unless you are committed to home schooling which also means early starts and routine)
That means being cheery about getting ready. Cheery and enthusiastic when talking about school.
Getting involved with other parents to help the socialisation of your son with other kids. Why do you think all the other parents are talking to each other? It’s because they want their child to make friends.
I hate getting up too and am not a morning person but it’s my job as a mum (who has taken the role of primary caregiver) to get them to school. So you do it. Cheerfully. I’ve done pretty much every school run and collection for 13 years across my children so far.
He’s done 2 weeks. Of course it’s hard for him as it’s a totally new environment. He will settle down into it and it’s your job (along with the schools) to help him love learning and love school.
Step up. Stop needing someone to get you up and flick water at you. This is his first journey into a world away from you and you need to be there fully to support him.

kewinsurreylass · 20/09/2022 11:51

"Ungodly hour?"

What time do you expect to get up then
Why are you so tired in the morning?

"Spending all day in an environment you'd rather not be in with people you'd rather not be with. "

That is life - does he want to spend his life with his mummy then?
it will happen when he goes to work unless he wins the lottery
Why would he not want to be with these people - going to places and meeting is how we make friends and develop relationships.

"I'm terrible with routine and having commitments."

You should not have had a kid then - that is part of the deal

"Then there's navigating the school run which is the worst kind of torture and you have to do it twice a day"

What else are you doing all day that is so important

. Getting there early enough to find somewhere within walking distance to park or end up trudging miles in the pissing rain.

Get up early or put a coat on

All the parents seem to know each other already and stand around chatting in cliques.

Have you tried to interact it sounds ds as if not
Clique = buddys

"I worry dreadfully about him. He doesn't know how to interact with the other children."

How do you expect him to learn that if he does not go to school

He didn't eat his Yoghurt one day at school because he couldn't open it. My fault for sending something he couldn't open but I felt terrible he wasn't confident enough to ask one of the lunch time supervisors for help.

1 your fault you have not taught him to do anything for himself
2 your fault he is not used to interacting with anyone other than his family

I can't help but feel it's wrong as a society that we inflict this on our four year old children. Dragging them out of bed when it's still dark, ignoring their natural body clock, shoving a slice of toast down their throats and sending them off into an unfamiliar environment five days a week

At what age do you want him to venture into the world then

DS has only just turned four and can't yet wipe his own bum.

Why
Just teach him

He still has to be reminded to drink and every day so far he's come home with his water bottle still full to the rim.

When I was a kid I would often go out all day and not drink
On a hot summers day I would go to a friends house for a drink if I was out

It feels so wrong to send a just turned four year old into an environment where he has no help with wiping his bum and no encouragement to drink.

It is not a teachers job to wipe your kids bum
You can teach him
Also tell him to drink when he is thirsty

My issue is with the system itself. The society that requires us to send our children into this environment."

To learn for the benefit of their fruitier
The world is incerdibly competive in thwe workplace now and will become more so with the advent of AI
If you kid is not better than the others he will have crap future job prospects
If he is not taught that the world is a fiercely competitive place - (it is hard and unremitting) and he has to compete he will get pd on

Gozleme · 20/09/2022 11:52

Also, a sunrise alarm really helps in winter. If you set it for 7am then the “sun” will start to come up from 6.30am. Put it close to your head. <about to look for mine now, it will be dark soon enough!>

When I was on ADHD meds they helped in the morning too. Set alarm and take at 6.30, go back to sleep/have a cup of tea in bed and by about 7.10am you will be calm headed and ready to go (obviously you will need a diagnosis first though!)

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