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School is awful!

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anerki101 · 20/09/2022 09:56

DS has just started his second week in reception. It'd bloody awful, miserable and I hate every moment of it.

Firstly, getting up early is just dreadful. I'm not a morning person. I can set various different alarms, with different tones on different devices and I don't hear a single one. I have to rely on poor DH to wake me up. Sometimes I don't hear him and he has to flick me with water.

Before I had DS I had this problem with working FT too. The drudge of waking up at an ungodly hour five days a week. Spending all day in an environment you'd rather not be in with people you'd rather not be with. I'm terrible with routine and having commitments.

Then there's navigating the school run which is the worst kind of torture and you have to do it twice a day. Getting there early enough to find somewhere within walking distance to park or end up trudging miles in the pissing rain. All the parents seem to know each other already and stand around chatting in cliques.

DS is incredibly shy and struggle socially. He seems to get overlooked, forgotten and ignored. I worry dreadfully about him. He doesn't know how to interact with the other children. I fear he's going to get lost in the system both socially and educationally. He didn't eat his Yoghurt one day at school because he couldn't open it. My fault for sending something he couldn't open but I felt terrible he wasn't confident enough to ask one of the lunch time supervisors for help.

I can't help but feel it's wrong as a society that we inflict this on our four year old children. Dragging them out of bed when it's still dark, ignoring their natural body clock, shoving a slice of toast down their throats and sending them off into an unfamiliar environment five days a week. DS has only just turned four and can't yet wipe his own bum. I dread him doing a poo at school and prey that he at least does it towards the end of the day so he doesn't have to spend long covered in his own shit. He still has to be reminded to drink and every day so far he's come home with his water bottle still full to the rim.

It feels so wrong to send a just turned four year old into an environment where he has no help with wiping his bum and no encouragement to drink.

Before anyone starts, I don't for one minute blame the school or DS' teachers. They are brilliant. My issue is with the system itself. The society that requires us to send our children into this environment.

Yes, I know I don't have to. I could homeschool. But it's not that easy is it. Society isn't set up for parents to home school. Mostly, both parents need to work outside the home full time just to keep a roof over their heads.

Nursery was a far better environment. Ds went 15 hours a week. Enough for him to spend time with people outside rhe immediate family and enough for me to have a bit of time to get things done without him in tow. We could choose the hours best suited to us and what worked best for DS. Drinking wasn't an issue. He had help when using the toilet.

I know there was the option to defer school for a year and keep him in nursery for another year but we simply couldn't afford to do this. Also, DS was ready for school in an educational sense just not in an emotional and social sense.

The house feels empty without him too. I feel his absence in the silence.

Just musing really. It's nice to get my thoughts out.

Every day I pick him up from school he isn't himself. He's tired and emotional and has a tantrum over something minor before we've even walked through the front door. It's like he's holding himself in all day and letting it out when he's back with me.

He didn't even manage the first week at school, he caught covid on day four!

OP posts:
bob78 · 22/09/2022 07:08

I'm just looking for tips on how you need to "drag him out of bed" at that age, mine is in high school and I've still never had to drag him out of bed for anything! I've been promised they sleep in soon!

Mfsf · 22/09/2022 08:37

MistressIggi · 21/09/2022 22:02

Seriously? I would never be one to criticise a poster's spelling or grammar (having dyslexia in the family) when it is irrelevant, but am surprised that you consider learning in school to be so "basic" and that you are equipped to do it at home instead.

Seriously ? I’m actually dyslexic and tired ( whxh makes it 10x worse ) as well as English not being my first language but go on attack others ! It won’t upset me in the sense o have quite a few degrees and a great career out of it . And yes home Ed children tend to learn faster and be more independent than school ones .and guess what ? They suffer much less bullying from people like you !

As posted above my child goes to school who fails her miserably because she went in reading 4 years more advanced than others . so forgive parents for actually not being lazy and behaving like sheep and actually finding better ways for their children to get a education

Angelil · 22/09/2022 09:19

Hopeful2017 · 22/09/2022 06:52

Things have changed in the Netherlands so. I grew up there and started a few days after my 4th birthday - which was in the middle of the school year. It was normal to just join in once you turned 4

Not really sure what you mean by this tbh. The first 2 years of school in NL are mostly play-based: there is some basic preparation for reading, writing and maths but that’s not the same as shoving them behind desks at the age of 4 and explicitly teaching these skills like in the UK. I am really not sure that NL has changed its approach to early years learning a lot over the years (though correct me if I’m wrong). Children in NL still “join in” and do full days from age 4 so I am not sure what you are alluding to.

Bubble28 · 22/09/2022 09:34

I don't think it's very fair to label all parents lazy and sheep for sending there children to school. My DD turned 4 in August and just started reception, she has SEN and school is the best place for her as opposed to being cooped up at home all day. She too is more advanced that most others in her class will be in terms of reading, counting and basic maths but struggles socially. I provide educational opportunities at home all the time, she's always learning but the structure, support, education and social skills she will get from school is far more and far better than I can give her and its what she needs.

Bubble28 · 22/09/2022 09:35

Bubble28 · 22/09/2022 09:34

I don't think it's very fair to label all parents lazy and sheep for sending there children to school. My DD turned 4 in August and just started reception, she has SEN and school is the best place for her as opposed to being cooped up at home all day. She too is more advanced that most others in her class will be in terms of reading, counting and basic maths but struggles socially. I provide educational opportunities at home all the time, she's always learning but the structure, support, education and social skills she will get from school is far more and far better than I can give her and its what she needs.

This was in response to @Mfsf

StudentNurse3 · 22/09/2022 09:43

Solonge · 21/09/2022 20:29

Goodness....lot of negativity for schooling! I enjoyed going to school...as did my husband...we enthused the kids about going to school and by the time they were old enough they couldnt go quickly enough....they loved it. I am taking into school and collecting my grandson three times a week....he is six and skips into school and when I pick him up he is full of chatter about his day and cant wait to share his homework...which we do when we get in...and he shows his mum and dad with pride when its finished. Being a gran at the school I didnt expect to make any friends...but I have...and there are quite a few other grandparents collecting and dropping off. Pretty much all of us went to school...I believe home schooling gives kids a very narrow idea of education and they lose out on the socialising, team sports etc. One of my kids is a teacher and finds the children that go to school at 11 are usually behind in some subjects...and find fitting in much harder. School is an adventure...and children will delight in it if they are prepared for that adventure.

I've got one in school but my eldest was home-educated.

It's interesting you say home education gives a narrow idea of education. I must say I have found the opposite. As much as my DD's school have great facilities and resources to make their learning exciting, at the end of the day she goes to the same building with the same people every day (bar a couple of school trips every year). But my DS learned in so many different environments (galleries, lecture halls, museums, community gardens, other people's houses, STEM centres etc etc) on a regular basis and with lots of different people from all sorts of backgrounds, not just the kids from our local area. Socialising isn't an issue, they socialise with their peers like any other child, although with usually a bigger age range and a mix of boys and girls. It does depend on your area what is available for home educators but in my area team sports are available. And if it isn't you can set it up yourself. There are pros and cons of each approach, but I must admit sometimes I feel sad for all the opportunities my DS had, that just aren't available for my DD as she's at school.

StudentNurse3 · 22/09/2022 11:25

Angelil · 22/09/2022 09:19

Not really sure what you mean by this tbh. The first 2 years of school in NL are mostly play-based: there is some basic preparation for reading, writing and maths but that’s not the same as shoving them behind desks at the age of 4 and explicitly teaching these skills like in the UK. I am really not sure that NL has changed its approach to early years learning a lot over the years (though correct me if I’m wrong). Children in NL still “join in” and do full days from age 4 so I am not sure what you are alluding to.

To be fair, in the UK 4 year olds don't sit at desks. Reception is pretty much the same as nursery with free flow to the outside and DC picking their own activities with a bit of circle time. Even in Y1, they don't introduce sitting at tables til the last term and have free flow in the afternoons. Then Y2 (age 6) becomes more formal with sitting at desks and carpet time for most of the time but still with free flow for an hour. Well, that's how they did it at my DD's Infant school, anyway.

Hopeful2017 · 22/09/2022 11:48

😂😂 ‘alluding to’… I stated that when I started school in NL I started a few days after turning 4. Which is correct!
In your previous post you stated it’s more similar to the German system which starts age 6.
So I was saying must have changed since I started school in 1993. I no longer live in NL (I don’t live in the UK either).

So yeah there was no alluding I was just stating when I started.

Mrangrylivesnextdoor · 22/09/2022 12:09

‘Talipesmum
You can’t turn back the clock - kids finding it a massive change in the first few weeks of school is no indicator of how they’ll be at school in the longer term. I’d suggest you stop looking back at the lovely ideal days of preschool and work hard to figure out how best to manage the future.’

THIS - WISE WORDS

Mrangrylivesnextdoor · 22/09/2022 12:18

My son struggled, left out because he didn’t play football but loved books, but there’s the interaction and social skills they gain which is a plus point over home-schooling, how do they spend time with other kids by home-schooling? I think my son would say he’d rather not have been there but he’s thriving in his career now after opting to go to college and university and still has a very good friend he met when at pre-school. Please just give it time for both of you, say hi to other parents and ask about their children and it should start feel more familiar 😊

Mfsf · 22/09/2022 15:58

I was not doing that quite the opposite , just saying that home education or alternatives as flexi are exactly that and they should be respected . I was by no means saying all parents that send skids to school are sheep , I was saying if it’s not working for your child then it’s up to each parent to find what works best without others claiming they know better

Mfsf · 22/09/2022 16:03

I have no idea how much contact people here have with home education but in my area it’s super active . Forest school weekly , swimming lessons , French , Spanish , acting , meet ups constantly , paddle boarding and water stuff for the older kids . And I live rurally I can only imagine in the city there will
be much more . So where people get this ideas kids are not socialising is beyond me . I’m only in contact this families one day a week as my daughter goes to school but flexi schools but we just had a party celebrating 2 teens 17 year olds starting uni , one medicine , a few weeks ago .

unicormb · 22/09/2022 16:14

Mfsf · 22/09/2022 16:03

I have no idea how much contact people here have with home education but in my area it’s super active . Forest school weekly , swimming lessons , French , Spanish , acting , meet ups constantly , paddle boarding and water stuff for the older kids . And I live rurally I can only imagine in the city there will
be much more . So where people get this ideas kids are not socialising is beyond me . I’m only in contact this families one day a week as my daughter goes to school but flexi schools but we just had a party celebrating 2 teens 17 year olds starting uni , one medicine , a few weeks ago .

Do you think OP is going to be up for organising all that given they can barely do it when it's all been organised for them?

Nowhereelsetogo90 · 22/09/2022 16:44

@Mfsf that all sounds great, but OP can’t manage a school run and a quick school gate chat?! How on Earth are they going to navigate finding these networks of home educators, joining in, following group meet up schedules, making friends?

Mfsf · 22/09/2022 17:46

It’s different, most home ed families are extremely welcoming , while school gate groups can be intimidating to new people .

Pinkfluff76 · 22/09/2022 23:44

This made me cry. I’m so sorry. I agree with you. It’s so hard. They’re so little and it is too early to send them to school and mine are October and December kids and I still feel like that. I’m so sorry I don’t have any nuggets of wisdom, but wanted you to know I hear you and I feel your pain.

Pinkfluff76 · 22/09/2022 23:52

my son is 6 and only recently learnt how to wipe his bum on his own.

TheClogLady · 23/09/2022 19:41

Pinkfluff76 · 22/09/2022 23:52

my son is 6 and only recently learnt how to wipe his bum on his own.

TBF their arms aren’t really long enough in proportion to their torsos until they are at least 5/6!

same reason they need us to pull their T shirt off for ages - big heads/short arms!

mindermum1 · 23/09/2022 21:43

4 is so young. In Scotland we send children to school between 4.5 - 5.5 years. If you defer them they get another year of free preschool education.

LilacPoppy · 23/09/2022 23:39

@mindermum1 you get extra pre school education if you defer till term after 5th birthday in England also.

Firecarrier · 24/09/2022 00:00

Haven't RTFT but couldn't agree more OP

Murdoch1949 · 24/09/2022 00:23

You're obviously just a lazy mare who needs to run her own, very small, but very successful business, otherwise you're buggered.

NameChangeLifeChange · 24/09/2022 07:27

Is it the school itself or just the routine?
I don’t think the routine itself is a bad thing- school starts no earlier than many jobs and children for the most part enjoy structure.
Perhaps look at the school- my childrens is incredibly nurturing, supportive with so many extra activities, very child led. They don’t wear uniform and have no homework- it’s very evidence led and progressive. Both DD and to be honest all the children seem to be thriving. It’s a state school btw! Would there be a more suitable option locally?
To an extent you’re projecting your difficulties with mornings etc onto him and it’s not fair.

CMTCP · 25/09/2022 20:10

The early days of school are hard for little ones and their parents.
Have you considered talking to the school about how he is doing? He might actually be fine in school. They will be doing or will have done, some baseline assessments by now.
Maybe the teacher could make him a little picture timetable so he can see when to have a drink. He will be getting milk at school and possibly water, not out of his water bottle.
If he is struggling to learn to wipe himself and you are getting nowhere, could you ask your GP for a referral to the Community Paediatrician? Lots of reception aged children haven't mastered that skill yet.
Children really benefit from positive attitudes from their parents. After all, it's them that have to go, not us!

Dammitthisisshit · 26/09/2022 14:01

Hello,

I haven’t read all the posts but have read all OPs ones (and most others)

OP - if you’re in an area that is amenable to starting summer horns at compulsory school age then it’s still an option. Are you aware that you’d have continued to get the subsidised nursery hours until he turned 5? Was it not financially viable even considering this? If so, I’m hazy on exactly how it works but I think (please check!) that the funding for this term is now used but if you were to pull him out of school now to start again in reception next year you’d get the nursery funding again from January onwards. But please do your own research, if those subsidised nursery hours would have affected your decision.

I know there have been a lot of posts about your struggles with schooling (getting up). But even separating them out then you still seem to have a lot of concerns about your DS’s school readiness.

we started our daughter at compulsory school age (ie at 5 not 4) due to social, not educational concerns.

youre much more likely to be diagnosed with SEN if you’re summer born as younger behaviour is interpreted as divergent behaviour when someone just needs time to mature. There’s a lot of armchair diagnosis going on. No one on the internet can say if he’s neuro divergent but remember he might just be a typical slightly shy 4 year old who’s not quite ‘school-ready’

And finally is part time school an option? I’d send him full days when he’s there but could you miss every (eg) Wednesday? Give him (and you) a fun day? He’s not required to be in full time school yet. Best to work with the school on how is best to do this but something like a day a week so you have 2 x 2 day blocks makes it easier to handle. (some are resistant at first but pointing out he doesn’t have to be there yet helps).

good luck

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