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To ask how to encourage younger people to join in church

353 replies

Ihatecocomelon · 18/09/2022 16:46

Just that really. I'm not entering debate about what exists etc.

What would draw your children or teenagers into going to church regularly?

Our church has plenty of the older generation but only a couple of younger children and maybe 2 young couples with babies.

Thank you 😊

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missverstaendnis · 19/09/2022 19:32

you could always try waving some candy at them?

Jet888 · 19/09/2022 19:33

Main thing, don't make anything difficult. I was raised religious then dropped off. Wanted my child to be baptised as I do still believe in God. One church was, 'come to this service for x number of weeks, find x person then we can sign you up a for this long course...' unwelcoming. One was, 'hi, lovely to meet you! Here's our lovely vicar for a chat, we'd love if you could make it, this weekend is a special kids service...' guess which church I've started attending...

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 19/09/2022 19:35

My dd is 17. She doesn't actually believe in God, but she is certainly extremely interested in all things spiritual. We have talked about this subject quite a lot, so I have a pretty good insight into her thinking on this.

I think she would really like the spiritual side of following a religion, as well as all the ritual of a church service, the wider community aspect and even all the music/singing etc. However, I can't see her ever wanting to go to a Christian church, because her perceptions of the church are generally very negative. There are a few reasons for this.

  1. She perceives a lot of Christians as being quite smug/arrogant. This is primarily based on a few Christians she knows who are very much of the view that Christianity is the only path to God/ the only way to salvation etc. She perceives them as being a little bit stupid for this, as if they somehow think that they've got it all worked out while the rest of the world's population are wrong, or worse, damned for eternity. She strongly dislikes people who are arrogant/consider themselves to be superior to others, and so she wouldn't want to associate herself with the church because that's how it comes across to get her. (To be clear, I fully understand that lots of Christians don't actually believe that Christianity is the only right path or that they have all the answers, but dd has been exposed to a few quite vocal people who are very much of this way of thinking.)
  1. She perceives the church as homophobic and misogynistic. Again, very off-putting for her, and probably for many other young people who may share this perception. (And again, I fully appreciate that this doesn't apply to all Christians but honestly speaking, it is the way that she sees it.)
  1. She is bemused by the people who deny basic science, such as evolution. She does understand that not all Christians take the bible literally, but again, she has been exposed to some who do, and she cannot begin to get her head around why anyone would believe that.
  1. She dislikes the way in which some Christians seem to believe that they have a monopoly on morality, as if people can't just behave well without any reference to a deity. She is also utterly bemused by the concept of original sin - it makes no sense to her that even a young child would somehow be guilty just by being human. And she has a perception that religious people can often be very judgemental towards others (e.g. on issues like abortion etc).
  1. She finds it hard to believe in a god who allows so much suffering in the world, and isn't remotely convinced by any of the Christian explanations or justifications for this. She also thinks that the Christian God comes across as being quite cruel in a lot of the Bible stories that she has heard...asking Abraham to sacrifice his son, for example, or repeatedly testing Job. She finds this very difficult to reconcile with the concept of a loving father.

I am not sharing the above to cause offence, but to give you an honest account of what would deter my dd from ever getting involved in the church, despite her interest in all things trivial.

It's tricky because I don't know how you could begin to go about changing perceptions like this. You can't change the entire church, no matter how hard you try. I have met a number of Christians over the years who have been amazing advocates for their faith - never through words but always through the power of their actions and the depth of their care and compassion for the most vulnerable people in our society. Those people are truly inspiring. Sadly, they tend to be outnumbered by the more vocal people who like to talk a lot about Christian values but don't really live by them in any meaningful way.

So, I guess my conclusion is that the best way of encouraging others to take an interest in your faith is not to actively try to encourage this in any way, but merely to inspire them by your own quiet example of a life lived in service to others.

Annualleavecancelled · 19/09/2022 19:56

@MrsBennetsPoorNerves
"I am not sharing the above to cause offence, but to give you an honest account of what would deter my dd from ever getting involved in the church, despite her interest in all things trivial."

I'm not sure what to make of this. Are you saying you think her interests in spirituality are trivial?

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 19/09/2022 20:06

Annualleavecancelled · 19/09/2022 19:56

@MrsBennetsPoorNerves
"I am not sharing the above to cause offence, but to give you an honest account of what would deter my dd from ever getting involved in the church, despite her interest in all things trivial."

I'm not sure what to make of this. Are you saying you think her interests in spirituality are trivial?

Sorry, it was a typo...autocorrect at its worst. Didn't notice it when posting.

To be clear, I'm not suggesting that religion or spirituality are trivial. My post was supposed to say "despite her interest in all things spiritual."

Apologies for any confusion caused!

Annualleavecancelled · 19/09/2022 20:22

@MrsBennetsPoorNerves Well, if your DD wants spiritual but not Christian then she's several religions to choose from but they will probably be in a place of worship not called a 'church'.

Fairislefandango · 19/09/2022 20:33

"I don't believe in god, so obviously I don't believe god can make anyone believe in him."

Well that's the end of the discussion isn't it ? There isn't going to be a meeting of minds so we'll agree to differ 🙂

Not really. The fact that you believe in god and I don't does not preclude the possibility of discussing aspects of churches trying to lead others to believe. Even if you believe in god, I don't think it's at all true to say that it is only god who can 'change what's in people's hearts' or make them believe. People change others' minds all the time, convince each other of things, deceive each other into believing things. Why would that not also be the case for religious beliefs?

Annualleavecancelled · 19/09/2022 20:40

@Fairislefandango
"People change others' minds all the time, convince each other of things, deceive each other into believing things. Why would that not also be the case for religious beliefs"

Because religious belief is an intangible that depends on faith.

Faith is opposed to reason and is firmly in the realm of the irrational. Religious faith is over and above reason and is not to be subject to criteria generally used by reasoning beings. IMO to use reason on matters of faith is not only inappropriate but irreverent and faithless.

The scriptural definition of 'faith' is - "the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen" Hebrews 11: 1. Faith is the connecting power into the spiritual realm, which links us with God and makes Him become a tangible reality to the sense perceptions of a person.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 19/09/2022 20:46

Annualleavecancelled · 19/09/2022 20:22

@MrsBennetsPoorNerves Well, if your DD wants spiritual but not Christian then she's several religions to choose from but they will probably be in a place of worship not called a 'church'.

I'm not sure that she's interested in organised religion at all tbh. I think a lot of younger people have quite negative perceptions of organised religion in general, and they want to find different ways of exploring their spirituality.

She'll find her own way of doing whatever works for her tbh. I feel no need to control or influence it. She has visited a range of different places of worship over the years from nearly all of the major religions...churches, mosques, temples, gurdwaras etc. She knows how to find out more if she wants to. She can choose any or none as far as I'm concerned!

JanFeb · 19/09/2022 21:02

I used to go to Church with my family when i was young. I loved the Sunday school, was in the xmas play, we did activities outside of Church like swimming when they had inflatables at the leisure centre, pancake day, evening kids club etc etc. I stopped going in about yr6 as liked staying home to watch cartoons!

I still went with my Gran now and then when i struggled as a teen. I kind of lost most of my faith around 18/19.

I tried going back after I moved areas when i was older and a new mum but found it quite difficult. Things that put me off were couldn't leave a young baby at the kids club so had to keep them with me through the service which was stressful when they just wanted to crawl around. Parking!! So many churches by me had zero decent parking anywhere. Also sometimes the people. They were either over over friendly or quite standoffish.

I'm looking at trying to find a church that's a good fit for me again but it's hard to know where to start. My grandparents were Catholic so i took communion, but my parents also took us to a Methodist Church and I've tried some others too, so I'm not tied to one particular denomination. It's hard to know how a Church will fit with you as a person iyswim?

espresso14 · 19/09/2022 21:18

Mine enjoy Messy church, but hate the Sunday Service at local CofE, even though they have a kids section.

The local evangelical church has a huge amount of children and young people, because of their excellent Sunday school, but the evangelical style just doesn't suit me.

Catinabeanbag · 19/09/2022 21:24

Maybe it's not about getting people into church, but church going out into the community and meeting people where they're at.
For example - a christian football team playing in a sunday league. Joining with Christians at Pride in a pride event.
There are lots of ways of doing and being 'church' (whatever that means) and many of them don't involve sitting in a building on a sunday morning. That sort of format just isn't interesting / relevant / attractive to people any more.

dandelionthistle · 19/09/2022 21:32

Not RTFT sorry (have skimmed first and last few pages).

I am mid-thirties (young in churchgoing terms!) and my DC are primary school age. We go to Sunday Mass as a family 1-2x per month and I go alone to weekday Mass when I can.

Kids are both at the church Boys Brigade (at their suggestion not mine - eldest saw an advert and liked the sound of it - until then I was only going to Mass alone). They need to have a certain level of church attendance towards their badges and sometimes I chuck in a bonus Sunday when I particularly fancy it or if I'm unsure they'll get their attendance. They both like BB so that's been a draw - obviously they much prefer the camping and fun days to the bible quiz stuff 😅 but clearly the overall offer seems worth it for them.

IME churches (CofE) can be very variable in terms of how welcoming they really are of children, and don't necessarily communicate that very well. My own preferred church is not great with kids so we don't go there together. 'Our' church is quite welcoming and provides colouring in to do in the pews, with the expectation that they're then pretty quiet and taken out quickly otherwise. But I've had to work all that out for myself, and it really is something that varies hugely, so it would really help if churches could spell out their expectations (for the benefit of parents and other parishioners!).

Mostly though I think children and teenagers are only at church through either faith of their own or being given no choice by their families. I know that previously it would be normal for children to enjoy Sunday school etc quite separately from any belief, but that was in the context of higher church attendance (so more people were there / there were fewer likely alternatives).

CelestiaNoctis · 19/09/2022 23:48

Nothing. I don't focus on what might be, but what is. Turn it into a community centre and focus on doing good without the promise of a reward.

Ihatecocomelon · 20/09/2022 07:28

Thank you all so much for your replies.

I made a list of reasons why not and what would help and sent to our minister.
I promise I didn't include any usernames or that it was from a forum.

He agrees with all points and will be asking the current congregation and those on the fringe of joining what they think too.

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mamabear715 · 20/09/2022 07:37

I haven't RTFT as it's so long now - but I would say INVITE the community. Going to church for the first time since childhood is quite intimidating. Get out there & meet people & invite them in. I would be delighted tbh as I don't drive, so can't get to church (nearest closed down years ago.)
Vicars used to visit people at home when they moved into an area, that doesn't seem to ever happen now. No good sitting back & waiting for things to change!

Hope that helps & sorry if I've said the same thing as everyone else!

Unbridezilla · 20/09/2022 07:42

It's really lovely that you are doing this OP! Good luck and I hope it works.

I was brought up methodist, and liked it for the most part, but never really found my groove with another church since I moved away. And my childhood church seems to have been taken over by a series of wetter and wetter ministers who allow a certain group of elderly women to call the shots, meaning no kids services anymore, and loud tutting in church if a little one makes a noise. They closed down guides and brownies and the local charity. And then wonder why I'm the youngest there by far (mid 30s) when I go occasionally with my parents. I feel tolerated as I have a long standing connection, but my "sporadic" attendce has been commented on. Not very Christian at all! But I do miss the community that being part of a church offers

doingitforyorkshire · 20/09/2022 07:46

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.....

Ispini · 20/09/2022 07:49

Our church has a play area/activity zone(for older kids) where the teens in the congregation organized. It really is a win win situation. The kids make something every week and present their crafts/paintings at the offertory, it really makes them part of the service and that along with a great choir/ folk group makes everyone really involved. Visitors always praise our church, it’s a great community.

OMG12 · 20/09/2022 07:55

Actually discuss Christianity as per the bible and historical context rather than the social control version. Let the young people discuss the esoteric part of Christianity rather than setting out rules. Discuss the connection to other cultures. To literature, how it has been used to control people etc. make it interesting, exciting, relevant.

Loved the fact John Donne was included in the Queens funeral yesterday.

supadupapupascupa · 20/09/2022 08:11

I think religion by choice is on its way out here. I think there will always be forced religion as a means of control in other places.

Our young generation simply do not believe

BUT

I think there is a truck being missed here. Religion is being replaced by other things. Instead of prayer many schools learn mindfulness. I think there still needs to be a place where you can go for spiritual calm and mental well-being.
Churches are wonderful building and I feel really good after contemplating my life in one.

Their use will need to change. A place where humans work out the hard stuff, give thanks for the good stuff, come together as a community.

But it doesn't need to be religious

FurAndFeathers · 20/09/2022 08:12

Attendance at many evangelical churches us bucking the trend and is growing rather than declining.

I think this is more to do with the worship style - freer, more modern music, live music etc and the family friendly atmosphere with kids church common.

it might be worth doing some school/community outreach work and developing kids church/messy church activities to engage, but also thinking about how you could make the main service more welcoming and interesting.

EsmeeMerlin · 20/09/2022 08:13

Hi op, I attend church with my two children 9 and 4. Our church runs a preschooler playgroup which is always well attended and some people discover the church that way. The children also have children's sessions during the Sunday service with a engaging children and youth worker. They play games, activities, discussions etc in a different room from the service. Under 4s go to the crèche room with parents and the service is on the TV. We do all stay together for the first 20 minutes of the service before the children go off for their sessions.

I think a church needs to be welcoming and engaging for children and understanding children have different needs. If a service expects children to stay silent and still for over an hour, families are never going to be attracted. There also needs to be understanding of Sen.

The church also holds events that are aimed for families, board games nights are popular with my 9 year old and this summer we enjoyed a church camping trip for a weekend with two other churches in the area.

LadyCassandra · 20/09/2022 08:15

I haven’t read the whole thread, but I’ve been attending and working for a church for 12 years, and I now work for a Christian charity in Sydney. Our church has a very strong youth presence and a bigger kids presence. Our young adults service is also large. All this to say, I’ve seen a lot.

In my opinion, churches need to play the long game. Teenagers don’t come to a church where there are no other teenagers. We have playgroups for mum’s (and definitely for mum’s, not kids, they are incidental!) we run a women’s group with a crèche, we have services at different times and make it easy for people (dinner after the early evening family service so parents can feed their kids and go home after). A lot of the teenagers and young adults have grown up in this church but then brought their friends along. The services are modern and have decent music.
Basically churches need to create community and think carefully about generation planning.
Our church had no youth 20 years ago and the kids ministry has fed into it.

Elphame · 20/09/2022 11:08

Nothing would get me or any of my children into any church sponsored event however it was framed. I know we wouldn’t be welcome.

Our local CofE is clearly trying hard to make itself relevant by advertising a service in the local pub of all places.

They have a perfectly nice church a few yards away but would rather invade secular space. I’m also amused that the local Methodists hire the village hall for social events. They have a lovely hall of their own but are not allowed to have alcohol there. The hypocrisy is breathtaking and we do notice.