To ask if this is really what the queen wanted??

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Hospital appointments cancelled, funerals delayed and food banks closed. Businesses adopting ridiculous measures to prove how much they loved the queen and are mourning her. I guess, the queen can't be held responsible for the stupidity of businesses such as center parcs but didn't the media say that the event of her passing and the subsequent period of mourning were carefully planned and had her stamp of approval?

However, if she was the kind of person who would have wanted someone's medical appointment to be cancelled just because of her then doesn't that mean that she wasn't really that nice a person? In other words if she was as altruistic and service minded as we would like to think she was wouldn't she have been horrified by this circus and by what is happening apparently for the sake of mourning her passing?

And if this circus wasn't her idea then don't you think that either the royal family or the government are milking the death of an apparently not just highly respected but also beloved person purely for their advantage? Are they not going down in your esteem?

Yabu: we have to mark this historical event in as dramatic a way as possible and show in clear terms that we are in fact mourning. Besides you are not just mistaken but also very disrespectful. Off with your head.

Yanbu: yes, the proportion that this event has taken on is very worrying and it's a shame that the royal family, businesses and large parts of the country are all playing along with this populist jingoism.

It does feel like they’ve been planning it for 500 years but forgot to add a note saying they do expect the country to keep functioning.

Bit of a fuck up thst

I don't really like the hyperbole you chose to use in outlining the YABU option.

What is happening now is normal for state funerals - and was happening with huge crowds in the days before social media - but we have collectively forgotten that.

Of course this is what she wanted. She wanted to preserve the Monarchy and planned her funeral so Charles would be in the forefront and seen by all so the transition would be welcomed by all.
All the PR we have seen is to put him on a pedestal and launch him as King.
I do not buy any of it. I watch and listen to the spin on the TV, and see all the rubbish that is going on with that family and just wonder how much this fiasco is costing us - the nation.

Fair enough regarding the hyperbole.

Regarding your second point: Was it and is it really that common? Having a monarch as the head of state is often compared to having a president but I don't remember many bank holidays being declared and so many services being cancelled when presidents have died. More importantly, do you think this is a good thing?

I really don’t think the reaction is disproportionate. I’m absolutely not a royalist but she was the monarch of Britain and the commonwealth for 70 years. I’m not even paying attention to the news etc but it is literally the biggest thing in the monarchy for over the 70 years and probably for some time to come, I don’t think the response/ coverage/ bank holiday is disproportionate.

To be honest I've never had strong feelings about the queen. I don't know the lady and don't even know enough about her to feel that I can have a strong opinion either way. bu

My question is if she really had a part in arranging this and really would have approved of things like medical care and funerals being postponed for her sake then was she really someone who deserves to be so generated? And if this is not what she would have wanted then why are we doing it and why isn't there more backlash against it?

So you think it's fair that eg someone's hip replacement (something they presumably have been waiting for for a while anyway) got postponed for the sake of showing the world we are mourning? So effectively prolonging someone's discomfort? Do you think the queen would have wanted that? Do you think she was so self centred that she thought her funeral is worth prolonging someone's discomfort?

I think you are exactly right. It’s all to set the tone for Charles and highlight reverence and duty. It is what she has chosen.

I have neutral feelings about the monarchy but at the most basic level I am sick to the back teeth of things being cancelled and shut.

Presidents are flying in to pay their respects, monarchs also. Many of the most important people in the world are coming here to pay their respects to someone who influenced the world for 70 years, but her own subjects can’t even pay her a bit of respect.

Yes, NHS should remain open and carry on important treatment, but other things, no.

I’m getting weary of the virtue signalling on this website.

It looks like the royal family are trying to distance themselves from things like the cancellations of medical appointments and reduced transport. The trouble is that once schools were closed, many other organisations were going to struggle without staff. Maybe at least some schools could have opened for children of keyworkers with limited staff, but it’s so hard to manage, especially on such a short timescale.

If the queen thought along the lines of most sensible people, I doubt it would have crossed her mind that people would be so ludicrous as to fail to differentiate between things that needed to continue like surgeries, funerals, providing food, and things that could be closed for the morning so people could watch her funeral.
I can't quite believe that people responsible for vital services have interpreted the bank holiday in this way, and I find it actually quite frightening they have excercised such poor judgement. It feels like the responsible adults have left the building.

The truth is that whether she's alive or dead makes not one second of difference in real terms to the vast majority of people, bar her family and her staff.

I find it really really odd the turn that this is all taking. The level of investment that's being shown in this is crackers.

How many presidents do you know that have served 70 years or anywhere as well?

I think yes, it is what she wanted.

All the closures and public outpouring of grief paint the RF as very popular. Which will ensure they continue in their positions of wealth and power.

"Yes, NHS should remain open, but..."

...but they're NOT. That's why people are "virtue signalling", as you call it.

I think that it's pretty virtuous to prioritise living people needing hip operations over people who are deceased. Apparently this wasn't a virtue shared by Her Majesty, seeing as she signed this all off.

I loved the queen but the whole mourn-fest is completely over the top.

A lot of cancellations are so that people can watch the funeral, as I understand it.

Staff have told bosses they will stay home even if places were open.

Hardly her late majesty's fault.

Why on earth couldn't it be on a Sunday?

Good point. Why couldn’t it have been held on a Sunday?

Could you please explain what you mean by virtue signalling as I don't see how it applies in this context.

Yep it is what she wanted. She believed in her god given right to be Queen and wants her family to remain billionaire monarchs for as long as possible. Maximum pomp, disruption and center stage for Charles to swoop in and continue like nothing has happened and before the plebs can bother to question whether they actually need the biggest benefits claimants in the country anymore

I do, its bonkers!

She is dead, not coming back & had no real power and treating her passing like a Pharaoh is beyond crazy.

Who really gives a fuck? in RL, i'm just not seeing it. Even if 4m turn up in London om Monday (authorities est 1m) that still leaves approx 64m who didn't.

No idea if this is what she wanted, probably was.

I think we may look back on this in much the same way as we do about lockdown.

I dont believe she would have wanted hospital appointments cancelled. I've been waiting over 6 months for my young son's appointment which is now cancelled. Who's know how long and how much additional pain he will be in. I'm sure she wouldnt have wanted people to suffer.

I think a lot of cancellations are because the government declared a bank holiday. Once schools and nurseries said that they will close many other places didn't really have a choice but to give their employees a holiday.

I'm happy I'm getting a holiday but on balance I don't think it's worth someone else having their medical appointment cancelled. I remember how long my dad always has to wait for any kind of appointment and how relieved we always are when he finally gets an appointment. If his surgery had been cancelled we would have all been immensely stressed. Is it worth causing someone this kind of distress and other complications (also for other important services) just for a gesture? What is more important in real terms? A living person requiring help or a gesture to show respect for a dead person?

I'm so sorry to hear that. I hope he'll get a new appointment soon!!