To ask if this is really what the queen wanted??

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Hospital appointments cancelled, funerals delayed and food banks closed. Businesses adopting ridiculous measures to prove how much they loved the queen and are mourning her. I guess, the queen can't be held responsible for the stupidity of businesses such as center parcs but didn't the media say that the event of her passing and the subsequent period of mourning were carefully planned and had her stamp of approval?

However, if she was the kind of person who would have wanted someone's medical appointment to be cancelled just because of her then doesn't that mean that she wasn't really that nice a person? In other words if she was as altruistic and service minded as we would like to think she was wouldn't she have been horrified by this circus and by what is happening apparently for the sake of mourning her passing?

And if this circus wasn't her idea then don't you think that either the royal family or the government are milking the death of an apparently not just highly respected but also beloved person purely for their advantage? Are they not going down in your esteem?

Yabu: we have to mark this historical event in as dramatic a way as possible and show in clear terms that we are in fact mourning. Besides you are not just mistaken but also very disrespectful. Off with your head.

Yanbu: yes, the proportion that this event has taken on is very worrying and it's a shame that the royal family, businesses and large parts of the country are all playing along with this populist jingoism.

Is it adulation?

I certainly am not experiencing that myself but am glued to the proceedings because I like the entertainment, the processes, the uniforms, the colour, the choreography, learning about the history

It's adulation when people say it's ok to cancel NHS appointments or food banks because the queen has died and it's more important to mark her passing.

Who has said that, and are they the majority of the public?

Just read this thread.

God give over with these threads, they’re so tedious,it’s one day!!!!The vast majority of people want the day off and to watch the funeral. You don’t, live with it. Our local food banks aren’t open every day anyway. Trot on down to your local food bank and volunteer if you feel that strongly.

It would interesting to get the facts about how many NHS trust actively cancelled appointments and their reasons,, such as something which was pointed out that they dont want a lot of no shows and wasted time

Anywhere else that isnt normally open on a bank holiday wont be open, not much difference.

If businesses choose to close, like centre parcs although that might have changed that now, that is their choice. a stupid choice if you ask me but nevertheless their own business decision.

Emergency services are still functioning

Normal bank holidays are very different to a bank holiday that has been declared just a week ago. On other bank holidays institutes don't need to cancel events because they wouldn't have planned them to occur in the first place.

And do you really think it's great if it's mostly only emergency services that are functioning?

I didnt say it was mostly only emergency services that are operating, you're suffering from the mumsnet curse of making things up that people havent said.

Lots of businesses are open, pubs, restaurants, shops etc.

And the ones that are not, thats their business decision

Lots of events take place on bank holidays so I dont understand your meaning

At the end of the day, some business will decide to close either or both because their own staff dont want work and/or their customers are likely not to want to go out and be customers.

I agree you do not normally cancel events during a 10-day period of mourning. So many things have been cancelled to avoid a backlash from royalists.

I think she deserves this send-off and paying of respects, not least because she wasn't actually a showy, ostentatious person. She lived up to her promise to do her duty and serve her country, for many decades. That obviously involved wealth. But that aside, she was happy with her headscarf and horses.

doesn't that mean that she wasn't really that nice a person?

Do you think a smug, selfish, attention seeking type should get the ceremonial treatment instead, just because it is 'what they would have wanted'?

People who work at Center Parcs etc. should also have the opportunity to experience the ceremony on Monday. No doubt the big bosses will give themselves the day off, so why should those on the 'shop floor' miss these important events? Obviously vital services will continue, but this is such a unique circumstance that I think the bank holiday is the right call.

It isn't 'populist jingoism'. Many of us think the Queen was deservedly popular because of her character and behaviour. Surely it isn't impossible to be popular for good reason, or does the word 'populist' invariably have to be pasted on top?

Patriotism isn't jingoism. There is actually nothing wrong with liking your country and the Queen, or taking part in your own country's cultural traditions. Obviously Britain hasn't always got it right, but nor has anywhere else. Yet, around the globe, most people are happy to be positive and proud of their own country. It seems it's just the British who enjoy self flagellation and virtue signalling.

I suggest you read up on national mourning for a monarch.

This is vastly more 'light touch' than has ever happened before

Lets be 100% clear here..

This is not patriotism. Its enforced nationalism run amok.

Not surprised you are unable to tell the difference.

Lets be 100% clear here.

It's clearly your opinion, but that's all.

This is not patriotism. Its enforced nationalism run amok.

I disagree. Who exactly is 'enforcing' it? Anyone who isn't interested can do what they do on other occasions they aren't interested in, such as the May bank holiday, Halloween or Christmas.

There are instances where some things have been cancelled which some of us might disagree with, like medical appointments. However, the other 99 per cent of what is happening on this one-off occasion is appropriate.

Do you also complain about the other bank holidays during the year, where people also have the day off work?

Not surprised you are unable to tell the difference.

And you've rounded off with a personal attack. Well done you

I think you might have made an error about what the difference is between patriotism and nationalism.

In what way is it nationalist to commemorate the death of the monarch of a number of nations and head of the commonwealth?

Truth is, she didn't really give much of a shit.

We have remained open (engineering firm) but have the staff were given an option to have it off if they wanted to, but it would be down to their own holiday allowance to cover. Businesses are not obliged to give it as holiday, nor should they have to foot bill in such uncertain economic times. About 85% are coming in on Monday after being offered a choice. I am off but it because I have holiday left, if I didn't I would go in without question.

*Lets be 100% clear here..

This is not patriotism. Its enforced nationalism run amok.

Not surprised you are unable to tell the difference.*

Enforced Nationalism? You sure? What liked North Korea or something?

Loving the comedy gold of " let's be 100% clear here" though.

The truth hurts.

This is precisely why England is in decline.

And no, it will just get worse from here. Too many delusional people running around the country.

The truth hurts.

Sorry, are we doing lyrics or something?