To ask if this is really what the queen wanted??

[MyMourningIsSadderThanYours]

Hospital appointments cancelled, funerals delayed and food banks closed. Businesses adopting ridiculous measures to prove how much they loved the queen and are mourning her. I guess, the queen can't be held responsible for the stupidity of businesses such as center parcs but didn't the media say that the event of her passing and the subsequent period of mourning were carefully planned and had her stamp of approval?

However, if she was the kind of person who would have wanted someone's medical appointment to be cancelled just because of her then doesn't that mean that she wasn't really that nice a person? In other words if she was as altruistic and service minded as we would like to think she was wouldn't she have been horrified by this circus and by what is happening apparently for the sake of mourning her passing?

And if this circus wasn't her idea then don't you think that either the royal family or the government are milking the death of an apparently not just highly respected but also beloved person purely for their advantage? Are they not going down in your esteem?

Yabu: we have to mark this historical event in as dramatic a way as possible and show in clear terms that we are in fact mourning. Besides you are not just mistaken but also very disrespectful. Off with your head.

Yanbu: yes, the proportion that this event has taken on is very worrying and it's a shame that the royal family, businesses and large parts of the country are all playing along with this populist jingoism.

I agree OP. I'm not a royalist but I liked the Queen - her stoicism and sense of duty and public service. I think it's fitting that there is a degree of pomp and circumstance to this, but yes, completely agree it's gone too far, and is anathema to that very sense of duty we're all professing to admire so much. I do not believe she would have wanted things like medical appointments and other people's funerals cancelled 'out of respect'. The Centre Parcs stuff is ludicrous. I think it massively suits the government to encourage this OTT fawning 24/7 rolling news coverage / absolutely everything must stop in light of the period of national mourning (effectively no government scrutiny at present) - it's all bread and circuses isn't it.

The Queen was fully aware of what would happen when she passed, she wouldn't be unaware at all that the country would fall over themselves to show how much they cared, no I care more, no I do, etc. At the end of the day she had an ego and definitely knew how things would go. That said, I imagine her plans might have been made a while ago before the world seemed determined to end itself over oil/gas/employment and she might be sad to know that all the pomp and ceremony was overtaking.

I think it should have been on a Sunday, with a bank holiday given at a later date for all to enjoy when it wasn't such a rush for businesses to try and figure out what to do, when Supermarkets weren't struggling to fill the shelves already let alone when people are rushing because god forbid all the food shops are shut for one day. That side of it is all poor planning.

Actually it wasn't like this with George VI - most sporting events carried on for example.

I don't know what day his funeral fell on, if it was at a weekend, it would have been much less disruptive anyway.

Down Native, not all hospital appointments for Monday have been cancelled, but some have, including mine.

Many patients have children in school or nursery, and some won’t be able attend medical appointments without alternative childcare. (I couldn’t have taken my four-year-old to my appointment).

Many school staff have children in nursery, so couldn’t teach on Monday even if they wanted to.

Many patients and staff rely on public transport to get to work or to medical appointments and the service is normally reduced on bank holidays.

Can’t you see how announcing a bank holiday at short notice causes widespread disruption to essential services?

Poland shut down for Pope John Paul II in 2005 (the funeral took place in Rome) - Charles and Camilla were obliged to postpone their wedding by 24 hours:

With Friday declared a national holiday for the funeral, shops, local and international schools, banks and even the busy Warsaw stock exchange were shut.
www.irishexaminer.com/world/arid-10099527.html

Even before the formal announcement by Clarence House, diplomatic sources had made it clear that the prime minister would be attending the [Pope's] funeral instead of the royal wedding.

The Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, who was due to bless the prince's wedding in a service at St George's Chapel in Windsor Castle on Friday also made it clear he wished to go to Rome.

The prince's acceptance of the inevitable came as the sheer scale of the Vatican obsequies became clear; more than 200 world leaders, including 100 heads of state, are expected to be present.

www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/apr/05/monarchy.catholicism#:~:text=Prince%20Charles%20headed%20off%20a,II%20in%20Rome%20on%20Friday.

Many school staff have children in nursery, so couldn’t teach on Monday even if they wanted to.

Are most people single parents these days?

I am, as it happens. But in most two-families I know, both parents work. And guess who usually picks up the kids?

*two-parent families

I doubt very much the Queen or any of the royals give the slightest thought to any of the ‘subjects’ or their lives. As long as there’s pomp and glitter it’ll bring some popularity from certain types for a while. Thus maintaining their ridiculous position.

Cattenberg
I am, as it happens. But in most two-parent families I know, both parents work. And guess who usually picks up the kids?

Why are the nurseries shut in your scenario if all the dads have to work?

It’s over the top but the Queen’s wishes wouldn’t ever have been taken into consideration. It’s not about her wishes. That’s why the monarchy is outdated.

if all the dads have to work?
Are most men not having the day off work on Monday?

@Cattenberg Think you'll find I did not argue all hospital appointments for Monday have been cancelled. The various NHS Trusts I looked at simply state that SOME may be affected and they'd contact patients affected. So, that's a Strawman Argument Fallacy you started with.

Your second paragraph - Strawman Argument Fallacy again as I've said nothing about patients who've cancelled due to their own circumstances.

Your third paragraph - Strawman Argument Fallacy again for same reasons.

Your fourth - another Strawman Argument Fallacy.

Your last - Strawman Argument Fallacy again as I didn't argue otherwise. The point I was making to someone else you decided to respond to is they've no evidence that childcare issues literally leads to some cancellations. There are other possibilities available to explain any cancellations. It looks like you're relying on Appeal To Probability Fallacy at the end there. Remember that correlation is not causation.

Neither the queen nor the rest of that family give a shit about ' their public '.
She gives even less of a shit now she's dead.
If anyone thinks they do then they're deluded.

DownNative, I was giving a few examples of how essential services are interdependent, so the closure (or reduced service) of one will affect another, especially if the change happens with little notice. What proof do you need of this?

70 yrs since the last one. the Beatles/Stones were children. men wore hats and people were working in factories. Women were nott allowed mortgages unless their husbands were there and cars were few. World changed and maybe the funeral idea hasn't apart from being televised.

This post is still a Strawman Argument Fallacy since I was challenging someone else on their assertion that childcare issues was leading to NHS cancellations.

It was always one of my points that other explanations were available.

You're incorrect that I asked for evidence of knock on effects on various organisations. Hence, Strawman Argument Fallacy.

You need to read what someone says more carefully.

Omg that's crazy. I'm so sorry. I feel for people who have had their appointments cancelled. My DD was seeing a pediatrician for a few years to investigate several things and every time I eagerly awaited these appointments. If any of them had got cancelled I would have been beside myself (as I was with my dad when his appointment got postponed)

Can you contact your GP to ask him him to fast track his reference? Surely a medication review can't wait for another 4 months.

Yes..maybe I'm cynical but I thought the timing is perfect for Liz truss. All she has to do at the moment is wear black, look sombre and express her condolences..much easier than actually talking about the difficult issues affecting the country and its people at the moment.

I was genuinely sad when I heard her passing, end of an era etc but now cannot wait until this is over. I think the moment the schools were announced to be closed at such short notice was so obvious this was all going to happen. The schools could have watched the funeral on screen and managed the minutes silence even better marking forcing down their throats this 'historical' event. I don't know any family in school or outside of school now who is going to make their way to London or Windsor to take their children to watch it live. Maybe local families who live on route might but the majority won't due to logistics, affordability and are not that bothered. I think if I had a school aged child I would have preferred dc to be at school watching it and absorbing it whereas at home dc would be pottering around but anyway. Whilst planning all of this to ensure Charles is strategically accepted in his role, we will have a generation of children who's not going to give a shit when this happens all over again in 20 years time. Attitudes change very quickly especially in time.

Just to be clear.. I'm not saying that if the queen had wanted this madness it's ok or we should carry out all her wishes.

What I'm saying is that there is an incongruence that doesn't compute for me: if the queen wanted this disruption of people's lives to honour her passing and ensure the continuity of the crown then obviously she wasn't as service minded and altruistic as we would like to think she was and therefore doesn't deserve to have people suffer for her.

If she didn't want it then why are we doing it?

This would also be my take on it. What is happening in some quarters is a ludicrous overreaction.

Surgery and urgent medical appointments should be going ahead. Guests should not have faced a 24 hour eviction by a holiday company (Center Parcs) with most having nowhere to go.

Common sense needs to prevail.

If GP and hospital appointments are being cancelled then it’s an absolute farce.

Im so sick of hearing about King Charles 3rd and how the media are bigging him up. When he was grimacing at the help for not removing that pen case or some such thing he just came across as a petulant twit. Andrew is still parading around after doing god knows what…it’s the height of arrogance…and everyone has forgotten how awful Charles and Camilla were to poor Diana.

I still have respect for the Queen but some of that was lost when she bailed out her little prince rather than make him face the music. It just felt like she knew the end was coming so she put family above country this time.

When this is all over I think the monarchy should be abolished. Harry and Meg could have modernised it and when they walked around I saw a genuine connection between them and the younger generation….whether people like it or not ,young people connected to their woke-ness and warmth and the diversity they could offer. The royal family shot themselves in the foot there.

Harry & Mag could have done their bit to modernise it but they choose not to.

They had tons of support but decided it wasn't the job for them.

I thought better of the queen and Charles before all this. I never had astrong opinion but I think I can see why a republic is preferable. This blind adulation and attitude that anything is acceptable just because it concerns the queen is worrying. The fact that people don't care that living people are made to suffer more for the sake of a gesture towards a dead person is incredible and the idea that we ALL need to be respectful and be seen to be respectful is scary.