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To say no to this and leave it to DH to sort?

626 replies

Peeeko · 15/09/2022 15:19

Brief background. Me and DH don't share finances as I've never wanted to, I've always wanted access to my own money and we both earn well so never felt it necessary.

We have a joint account that pays for bills and we have a joint account that we save in but the rest goes in personal accounts and we don't question the other on what is spent on what.

We were trying for a child for a long time, I ended up with quite severe depression due to it, we also lost a baby along on the way and it was a really dark time but we eventually managed to have our own child who is now 1. My husband also has a son from a previous relationship who currently lives with us 50:50.

I always wanted to keep my career going but also wanted to spend some time at home. So I ended up dropping a day at work so that I could spend it with our son and just do things with him, spend time with him, get out and about before he starts being tied to school holidays. I do not rely on DH financially due to this and I am still able to provide my half of the bills so felt it was my decision and he was happy for me to do it too. After everything we went through it just seemed like the right thing for me to do.

My husband's ex has recently started a new job and has to work longer hours. Due to this she has asked if we can increase the time my DSC is at ours by one day/night so with us 4 and her 3. We live close by so logistically this wouldn't be a problem.

However, the day falls on my day off and I am now being asked to facilitate it by being available to take and pick up DSS from school, be around generally if he's off like holidays or sick etc..

I've said no and DH thinks I'm being unreasonable.

I took the drop in hours to spend time with our son, not to look after my step son so my husband's ex could further her career. I love my day with my son and don't want our time being tied to school hours, having to back from wherever if we choose to go out or having to look after DSS too during the school holidays. I know it's just one day but it's important to me.

DH tends to work from home on the days we usually have DSS during the week so nips out to do the school pick ups and drop offs himself but he is required to be in the office the other days so can't do it on this day. I've suggested before and after school club but DSS was upset at the idea as he doesn't like going and DH thinks I'd be mean to make him go when I'm potentially at home or at least off work anyway.

So who's being unreasonable? In my mind this is a problem for DH and his ex to sort and I'm pretty adamant right now that I'm not getting involved.

OP posts:
HeddaGarbeld · 16/09/2022 15:38

funinthesun19 · 16/09/2022 15:16

A lot of posters are quick to blame the mother here. The OP said herself the mum asked the dad, and didn’t specifically ask for the OP to do it.

Even if she hasn’t specifically asked the OP, she’s still having an influence on OP’s life. Her husband should be signing DSS up to a club instead of pressuring OP.

I think the spit dummy out comments like “What would you do if he was your own?” are really unnecessary. If DSS was her own, she would be arranging her life accordingly as a mum of 2 and nothing more would be thought about it.
By choosing not to jump up to help when the mum makes big decisions, it doesn’t mean she should have to think about what she would do if DSS was her own. The two situations are very different and not comparable.

Yes of course the mother (indirectly) has an influence on the OP’s life, that is something that comes along with being part of a blended family.

But there’s criticism on here for the mother asking the OP or expecting her to do childcare, when that isn’t the case.

And there’s an undertone of snide blame in your posts. The mother has every right to “make big decisions”, in this case her decision is to take a job. It’s the type of mundane big decisions many of us make at some point. She’s not moving to Australia.

The OP hasn’t answered questions by PP on what the mother does for childcare other days. But clearly she has an arrangement.

It’s the DP that’s at fault here for saying yes without looking into options first.

whumpthereitis · 16/09/2022 15:39

Imthedamnfoolwhoshothim · 16/09/2022 15:34

I don't believe it! How can that be true when every bitchy MIL, Horrid Ex and a person who disagrees with this poster has it!

It’s like a low budget workshop for character development: ‘an arsehole, but make it exotic’.

Martinisarebetterdirty · 16/09/2022 15:40

It’s also good for children to not get what they want all the time, helps build resilience. Who knows, he may get to ASC and love it.

blackberrybat · 16/09/2022 15:40

TLDR: if you don't prioritise your stepchild above everything and everyone else at all times, you're a narcissist.

Dear baby jesus and all his angels. You couldn't make it up 😂

HeddaGarbeld · 16/09/2022 15:44

blackberrybat · 16/09/2022 15:40

TLDR: if you don't prioritise your stepchild above everything and everyone else at all times, you're a narcissist.

Dear baby jesus and all his angels. You couldn't make it up 😂

You clearly haven’t read the thread.

By far the majority of posters and votes are pro the OP. But why let the truth get in the way of sone hysterical eye rolling and brow mopping.

HeddaGarbeld · 16/09/2022 15:45

whumpthereitis · 16/09/2022 15:39

It’s like a low budget workshop for character development: ‘an arsehole, but make it exotic’.

Snort.

It is amazing how many narcissists there apparently are according to MN.

Imthedamnfoolwhoshothim · 16/09/2022 15:46

HeddaGarbeld · 16/09/2022 15:44

You clearly haven’t read the thread.

By far the majority of posters and votes are pro the OP. But why let the truth get in the way of sone hysterical eye rolling and brow mopping.

I believe that poster was in reference to one specific person's ridiculous argument.

HeddaGarbeld · 16/09/2022 15:49

Imthedamnfoolwhoshothim · 16/09/2022 15:46

I believe that poster was in reference to one specific person's ridiculous argument.

Perhaps. But TL;DR is used for threads. I think they knew it was in response to one poster but we’re quite happy to imply it was the entire thread. A few posters love sensationalism.

HeddaGarbeld · 16/09/2022 15:51

Threads and articles I should have said WRT to TL;DR.

The poster could have used the quote function but didn’t. They knew exactly what they were doing.

funinthesun19 · 16/09/2022 15:52

And there’s an undertone of snide blame in your posts. The mother has every right to “make big decisions”, in this case her decision is to take a job. It’s the type of mundane big decisions many of us make at some point. She’s not moving to Australia.

Of course she can make big decisions and has every right to. But what I’m saying is that OP doesn’t have to be the one to make herself available to support and facilitate those decisions especially if it’s to her own detriment. And it’s not a snub towards the child either by not making herself available, which some people clearly think it is.
But I agree, the husband is the one who has caused the current conflict by expecting the OP to help when she shouldn’t have to. He could have just agreed to help his ex and then actually helped his ex himself.

Ilovevacations · 16/09/2022 15:52

Hi op

I agree with the overwhelming majority. You should not look after your DSS on your day off.

You already look after your DSS for at least 3 days of the week along with your DH and I assume on those days he is loved and happy and treated fairly.

You’ve taken a pay cut for an additional day off and that is to be spent as you intended.

Any implication that your DSS will feel rejected and unloved because you won’t pick him up from school for an extra day is frankly ridiculous. And it most certainly will not hurt him to attend after school provision, even if he doesn’t particularly want to go.

It was wrong of your DH to offer your time (and money) to look after your DSS for an additional day and I think a firm no is appropriate.

What if in a month you need extra money and have to go back to work? The last thing you want is to be tied to an additional responsibility.

Saying ‘no’ will not make you a bad, uncaring or mean step mum. Making the child attend after school club will not make his parents bad parent’s either. Situations like this are exactly what after school club is for, so I fail to see why there would be further issue.

All the best with it!

Imthedamnfoolwhoshothim · 16/09/2022 15:52

HeddaGarbeld · 16/09/2022 15:51

Threads and articles I should have said WRT to TL;DR.

The poster could have used the quote function but didn’t. They knew exactly what they were doing.

I used the quote function. And regret it look at the size of that thing! It slowed the whole app for me.

ReneBumsWombats · 16/09/2022 15:53

Discovereads · 16/09/2022 14:55

It’s easy to sit in your armchair and say “just get childcare” but there’s a crisis in both availability and affordability of childcare right now.

“While sky-high childcare costs have always been a cause for stress and anxiety, Covid sparked an exodus of childcare professionals, making the industry harder to run, while the the cost of living crisis has only added fuel to this raging fire.
Thousands of early years childminders have left the sector since the first lockdown in 2020, while those who stayed are struggling to get by on low wages. Coronavirus also caused a fall in the number of childcare settings, from 75,000 registered providers to under 70,000, according to the Government.”
metro.co.uk/2022/07/16/exhausted-overworked-and-still-broke-the-uks-childcare-crisis-17000000/

“Nurseries across the UK are being forced to close or reduce their services at an alarming rate because they are struggling to recruit and retain staff, the National Day Nurseries Association (NDNA) has warned. The crisis is only set to deepen as more childcare providers go out of business, increasing demand for places and pushing prices even higher for families struggling with the rising cost of living. Purnima Tanuku, the chief executive of the NDNA, said: “Until recently, government underfunding was the main reason nurseries were going out of business, but now we are seeing more nurseries unable to open because they can’t employ sufficient staff,” she said. “Every closure is devastating to local communities, parents and children. They must not lose out because the government has failed to invest in our early years workforce.”
www.theguardian.com/education/2022/apr/30/uk-faces-childcare-crisis-as-staff-shortages-force-nurseries-to-close

“The crisis in the UK childcare sector has been laid bare by two major surveys, with campaigners saying young families and struggling providers are being ignored by ministers as the cost of living crisis spirals. Both surveys suggest childcare fees are increasing to an unmanageable level, with two-thirds of 27,000 parents reporting rising childcare costs in the past six months, and a similar percentage of providers confirming increases. Two-thirds of respondents to the survey published by the campaign groups Pregnant Then Screwed and Mumsnet, said they were paying as much or more for their childcare than for their rent or mortgage. Almost half (43%) of working mothers were considering leaving their jobs and 40% were working fewer hours than they wanted to because childcare fees were unaffordable…..Justine Roberts, CEO of Mumsnet, said the survey was further proof that childcare in the UK was broken. “For many families, childcare is either expensive to the point of being unusable or unavailable at the times they need,” she said.”
www.theguardian.com/money/2022/mar/25/childcare-costs-spiralled-uk-families-survey

It’s easy to sit in your armchair and say “just get childcare” but there’s a crisis in both availability and affordability of childcare right now.

I'm in a wooden chair and there's nothing easy about it. Fucking thing does my back in.

Childcare is the problem of the bio parents. But actually I didn't say "just get childcare". I said the parents' job was to factor their own child into their change of working arrangements. If they cannot get the childcare between them, then they cannot take the job.

And OP is not obliged to give up her own time with her child to facilitate the decision another child's parents made without doing their job properly. She's giving up spare money while still paying 50% of household costs to have this time. It's not for parents of another child to impose upon her so that they don't have to factor their own son into their career decisions.

blackberrybat · 16/09/2022 15:55

@HeddaGarbeld apologies for my incorrect use of TLDR. I was using it in jest in reference to one particular PPs incredibly lengthy posts, as @Imthedamnfoolwhoshothim has correctly spotted. I hate the bloody quote function, especially on my phone, and especially where the content is so long it makes the thread annoying to read. Will ensure I use my acronyms in a more considered fashion going forward.

Doingprettywellthanks · 16/09/2022 15:59

@Discovereads

While one cannot help their feelings, the role of any parent is still to treat all their children (bio and step) fairly, and not exhibit blatant favouritism

i am not a step parent. I will never ever be a step parent of a child under 18. Ever. I will never “blend families”.

why?

  1. I want my childrens home to be their home and theirs alone. Not to share with a man that their mother has fallen in love with, not to share with any of his off spring. I write this looking at my 17 yr old on the sofa in the skimpiest nightie you can imagine because she’s got V&D. She’d be holed up in her room if another family was here.
  2. I could never love a step child the same or indeed child even close to how I love my own and inevitably - that would show.
  3. i would step over any step child in the event of a house fire in order to reach my own child and get them to safety first before if even think about any other child
KosherDill · 16/09/2022 16:00

Discovereads · 15/09/2022 23:42

The child’s mother has chosen to work an extra day. The OP has chosen to work one less day. AND taken a financial hit for it. But somehow the bad guy in your scenario is not the person who chose to increase her days without sorting out childcare (read: the mother), but instead is the person who is being expected to pick up the slack without even being consulted (read: not the parent)……?

The OP is being consulted about it. She was asked if she could help out. She wasn’t expected to pick up the slack without being consulted. Any expectation is the expectation that she’d view the problem as a family problem and be willing to help out, rather than the not my child not my problem attitude.

And actually the bio mum didn’t choose to work an extra day, the OP quite clearly stated that prior to this the child’s mother was a student, who has just completed her degree and this job which requires work on the day in question is actually her first job in her career. She is now trying to sort out childcare that is affordable, she’s not the bad guy in this. The bio mum is also offering to pay maintenance in return for the extra help.

It’s a sad day imho when a working mother with the luxury of an established career bringing in ample income such that she can choose to only work 4 days a week won’t help another mother trying to establish a career and income for herself by watching their own school age step son for a few hours in the afternoon.

It's a sad day when someone who is paying her own way and minding her business suddenly is cast as the villian in a scenario that is absolutely none of her making.

It's not her fault the ex-wife chose to have children before establishing her career, it's not her fault that the child's father isn't willing to exert himself to change his work routine. And it certainly isn't her fault that the kid doesn't like kids clubs before and after school. Probably quite a few kids don't, but they survive and he will too.

Imagine expecting someone to give up 20 percent of their income and slow their career progression in order to service the demands of their husband's ex-wife?!

Doingprettywellthanks · 16/09/2022 16:03

@Discovereads

It would be very interesting to know your status. Step parent? Bio children? No children? Step child yourself?

Yousee · 16/09/2022 16:05

The OP said the child was upset at the suggestion because he likes it at his Dads home and doesn’t understand why he can’t just come home after school (post 3pm) since his step mum is off that whole day

"DSS, mum and dad are working and SM is out so you need to go to ASC"

There. Full explanation in a few short words for DSS to understand. No need for alarm or frets about being unwanted or unloved or anything. He's too young to be home alone so he can't be at home at all during that time.
If either parent wants to paint him a picture of how SM won't rearrange her life around his mother's new job because her own child is her priority and it's a terrible insult to him personally, that's entirely on them.

HeddaGarbeld · 16/09/2022 16:06

Ack @blackberrybat fair enough just name the poster next time so it’s clear you don’t mean the entire thread? Cheers.

I haven’t read most of the recent long posts on here myself.

funinthesun19 · 16/09/2022 16:08

If either parent wants to paint him a picture of how SM won't rearrange her life around his mother's new job because her own child is her priority and it's a terrible insult to him personally, that's entirely on them.

Yup.

funinthesun19 · 16/09/2022 16:08

If either parent wants to paint him a picture of how SM won't rearrange her life around his mother's new job because her own child is her priority and it's a terrible insult to him personally, that's entirely on them.

Yup.

YeOldNoName · 16/09/2022 16:13

Not your problem. You're not a child minder and they've both agreed to you doing something for THEIR child without even asking first! DH shouldn't have said it's okay and the ex shouldn't have taken the job without sorting childcare out.

beachcitygirl · 16/09/2022 16:15

@Doingprettywellthanks all so far so jnotmal to me. I'm step mum to adult step kids (never lived with them) & whilst i love them, i would also step on top of them to help my child. X

Doingprettywellthanks · 16/09/2022 16:17

beachcitygirl · 16/09/2022 16:15

@Doingprettywellthanks all so far so jnotmal to me. I'm step mum to adult step kids (never lived with them) & whilst i love them, i would also step on top of them to help my child. X

Well to be fair I said I would step over them rather than “on” them 😂

but if stepping “on” them helped me reach my children quicker - then hell yes I’d step on them!

Doingprettywellthanks · 16/09/2022 16:18

Ah I’ve AS @Discovereads

Fruit cake.