It seems people can no longer be bothered with adverbs - AIBU?

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I keep seeing comments online in which people confused adjectives and adverbs. For example:
"He's done amazing to get this far."
"It's made different to other ones."
"She talks so loud!"

Can people no longer be bothered to write out the extra "ly" which is usually required to turn an adjective into an adverb? Or don't people know the difference?

YABU - English grammar is hard and teaching is patchy. Stop being pedantic.
YANBU - social media & smart phone auto correct have made people lazy and they should make the effort!

"Needs done/mended" is how Scottish people say it and if you point out the missing "to be" they won't think it's necessary. I work with lots of Scottish people and that phrasing is normal to them.

I'm married to an Essex boy and my pet hate there is that no one says "to";
"I'm going Tesco, want anything?" or
"I'm going London tomorrow".
Absolutely painful.

Lots of people in that area also write "he's" instead of "his" which is odd: "Dave's gone to he's Xmas do" 😬

@OnTheBrinkOfChange What are you meant to say instead of hello?

"How do you do?" is what I learned as the correct formal greeting.

These threads crop up regularly and usually encourage quite a bit of snobbery towards regional/national dialect. Then there's the faux surprise at being told Mom or high school are actually British terms too. Or the prejudice towards Americanisms, which were often British phrases at the time of the Mayflower, but slipped out of usage.
Don't go reading Chaucer, your mind will explode. We don't speak the same language now as we did then, as language grows and evolves over time.

Stephen Fry has a lot to say on this subject.
www.stephenfry.com/2008/11/dont-mind-your-language%E2%80%A6/

I also now feel the urge to say I'm awake as I'm full of cold😄 and anxious, it must be nice to have so few worries that that the grammar of humankind is forefront in your mind. As for correcting the grammar of others, that's just poor manners.

Then there's the faux surprise at being told Mom or high school are actually British terms too

I don't think it's faux, until I used MN I didn't know Mom was used in the West Midlands (and perhaps other areas too).

I did know high school was a UK expression but that was only because there was a high school in a neighbouring town when I was growing up, though it's not called that anymore.

Unacceptable for TAs to get that wrong. I can, however beat that one. I was once work shadowing a teacher, who 'corrected' a student's answer. Question: do you use bare or bear, when asking somebody to be patient? So could you please ---- with me. The student had written bear. I couldn't believe it when the teacher said she was wrong! Shocking.it was one of the only times I ever told a colleague, they were wrong, in front of a student.

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i totally agree it makes me sad, those poor little ‘to be’!

needs mended etc sound so clunky to me.

Yanbu, it grates muchly.

I agree with most of the points raised, whether that makes me a grammar nazi or a snob. I’ve always excused the lack of adverbs in snooker commentary, for some reason.
My Scots father didn't use the “needs mended” type of phrase, btw.

YANBU Americans no longer bother with ed either and that's starting to creep in over here now too. "He's so chill" "He looks so tan" "She was well love" "Then it was stir for about 2 minutes"

Something that also bugs me is adding an apostrophe and an 's' to the end of grocery shops, much in the manner one would if it was a local corner shop run by Mrs Smith or Mr Singh.

Tesco's
Asda's
Lidl's
Aldi's

Mr Tesco isn't out the back somewhere sorting the stock, nor is Mrs Asda doing out the rota in the staff room.

Nobody ever does this with any other kind of shop.

'Oh yeah, I got a new handbag from Zara's', or 'I got that coat years ago from Topshop's'

Can anyone enlighten me?

@BlueThingie I am Irish and I have never, ever heard an Irish person say 'it's need mended' etc, it is far more common to hear someone say 'it needs mending' though.
Where in Ireland are you hearing this being used?
The only person I've encountered using it is from Essex and they also day 'going down shops now' too

People are badly educated. It depends where you live and work if it is socially acceptable. You take note, say nothing, but you don't then hand this person a job presenting or talking about anything of complexity.

I agree. People can say it's pedantry as much as they please (and Stephen Fry is hypocritical on this matter; I've definitely heard him correct others' grammar/language) but if someone presents me with a CV full of errors then they aren't getting an interview. A recent candidate gave an excellent interview and was one of the forerunners but her written test was shocking - poor punctuation, sentences not formed properly, colloquial language used in a formal context.

On MN? Write what you like. In a formal work communication? Sorry, it does matter.

@UniBallEye Not "it's need mended" but "it needs mended", "the baby needs fed" etc.

Very common in the north of Ireland and in Northern Ireland (although my colleague from Limerick also uses it). This fits with it also being used in parts of Scotland. There are examples in the OED, hang on...

I understand what you are saying. But I can't help being aware that there is a language common to those who are superior, in power, and by denying access to that language to ordinary people, by not correcting 'I seen, I done' etc we are pigeon-holing them. I think it is part of social mobility ethics to teach pupils how those in power speak and encouraging them to speak that way too until they are confident in the usage and can differentiate between grammatically correct common usage and vernacular. They then are armed with the knowledge should they choose to use it. To not know the impact of saying 'I would of' is disempowering. Fine to use it knowingly as a regional or social dialect that represents your roots and to converse with people you grew up with using this language, but know the alternative, know the power it holds socially and feel comfortable conversing on a level with those in power.

The author of every book you cited knows exactly how to write and speak in 'correct' English where the need arises. They don't write in those vernaculars because they have no choice. They are highly skilled at judicious use of idiomatic language for literary effect.

This lists the usage as Scottish and Irish English and regional in the US.

Yes, this is correct, though not the point: the OP and others were claiming that people using vernacular or non-standard English makes it too difficult to understand what they are trying to say, and this is demonstrably not the case: most people are adept at code-switching in both speech and comprehension, and the success of all of those novels is evidence of that. Nobody pretends they can’t understand The Color Purple because it’s written in AAVE. Likewise, nobody hears somebody say “she talks so loud” or “it needs mended” and has any doubt what the speaker means.

The Queen’s death and the many replays of her early speeches over the past few days has been an excellent demonstration that, even if people think it does or should, language doesn’t stand still. Even the Queen didn’t, by the end of her life, speak with the same vocabulary, cadence or grammar patterns as she did in her early years. The rest of us certainly don’t, and I think most of us would agree that we’d sound ridiculous if we tried to.

They say that history is the version of events told by the victorious, and I believe similar is true of language. Few people advocate resisting revision of our understanding or interpretation of history because the original version is that commonly accepted by those in positions of power and therefore superior.

Some people are just thick. Can't use the correct 'there/they're/their', can't use apostrophes, and write how they speak with rubbish like "he dun dead his lol luv u hun"

No point beating around the bush. Coddling people and making out that literacy is optional has led to a class of people whose written word is next to impossible to understand. "sleepin wiv da angles hun xx"

@CaramelTwirl why is it condescending to highlight what appears to be declining levels of literacy? Should we not take more pride in our language? Time and time again I see examples of those speaking English as a second language having a better grasp of grammar than native speakers. Why is it condescending to be concerned about this? As other PPs have said, poor writing skills can cost an applicant a job.

If there were a similar rise in mathematical errors, would I be condescending in pointing those out?

The accusations of condescension come because almost all of the words, phrases, and usages on this thread that irritate people are NOT mistakes. They just reflect different usage.

To repeat what I said about "math". The singular form was in common usage in Britain and America. A couple of centuries ago, for unknown reasons, British English began adding a random S.
Yet on every thread like this, posters go on about how irritating the American usage is. Etc.

We could, of course, also question your own use of a singular verb with a plural noun, your lack of capital letters and the wrong preposition following an adjective.
But that would be churlish. Fun, though.

This drives me nuts! For what it's worth, I live in Australia, this seems to be an English thing, I've only ever come across it on this site.

@PAFMO so in all cases, people have been aware of the grammatically correct usage but have chosen to use something else?

I'm glad you enjoyed it! 😁