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It seems people can no longer be bothered with adverbs - AIBU?

129 replies

Q2C4 · 12/09/2022 10:14

I keep seeing comments online in which people confused adjectives and adverbs. For example:
"He's done amazing to get this far."
"It's made different to other ones."
"She talks so loud!"

Can people no longer be bothered to write out the extra "ly" which is usually required to turn an adjective into an adverb? Or don't people know the difference?

YABU - English grammar is hard and teaching is patchy. Stop being pedantic.
YANBU - social media & smart phone auto correct have made people lazy and they should make the effort!

OP posts:
CampRedLeaf · 12/09/2022 12:10

My phones auto spell takes the ly off a lot of words randomly. Including that one just there! I've had to write it three times already!

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 12/09/2022 12:24

my pet hates are removing the preposition ‘to”

I’m gonna go Tesco later, want anything ?

and

Using “text” instead of “texted” as if it were a past participle

”I text him to tell him I’m ovulating and he didn’t even come home”

Wazzzzzuuuuuuup · 12/09/2022 12:27

Evidently

Novum · 12/09/2022 12:28

I find the increasing omission of "a" and "the" irritating - e.g. out the door instead of out of the door, making noise instead of making a noise.

gatehouseoffleet · 12/09/2022 12:31

I don't like excited "for".

You're excited for a person, not an event.

You're excited about an event or looking forward to it.

So for example, you are excited for Sophie because she is getting married.

And you are excited about Sophie's wedding.

Then there is the weird one where you no longer talk about something, but talk to it.

Why have people stopped saying "about"? Does anyone know?

goldfinchonthelawn · 12/09/2022 12:33

ComtesseDeSpair · 12/09/2022 11:48

It’s a mixture, isn’t it? Some people won’t know the difference because they didn’t pick it up at school; some people will be speaking English as their second language and getting things a bit “wrong” occasionally, just as you would if you were trying to speak fluent Thai or Swahili; some people write in the same way they speak, with colloquial regionalisms and dialects. Using the past tense instead of the present participle is an example of something that features widely in west of Scotland dialects and has done for centuries. It isn’t some new social media phenomenon; but social media does offer us greater exposure to people who don’t live in our immediate vicinity and have different speech patterns.

In terms of weird things to judge people on, this has to be at the top of the list for me. Plenty of really nice, clever people speak very differently to the way I do. Plenty of entirely dislikable idiots speak “correctly.”

I agree to an extent. Being understood is the main thing, and being open to versatility in how language is used and how it changes is important. There are loads and loads of things that made me cringe when they first entered the language which I now use all the time without wincing. It is mainly pedantry. But part of me feels irritated that people aren't taught how to use their own language correctly at school. It's as though the bar is set really low because nothing is expected of the majority. Meanwhile articulate weasels run the country.

LINABE · 12/09/2022 13:08

YANBU

MrsMattMurdock · 12/09/2022 13:33

YANBU. On the other hand my 4 year old is making up adverbs all the time, eg "fastly", so maybe they'll catch on and replace the ones that drop out of use.

PAFMO · 12/09/2022 13:40

@Q2C4

"people HAVE confused"

Kokapetl · 12/09/2022 13:56

pantsofshame · 12/09/2022 12:10

YABU- language changes and as long as it can be understood what's the real harm, but I do find it irritating.

However, although I would agreed that as long as it can be understood it SHOULD make no difference (especially when used informally) I think there is a problem when children only ever hear the grammatically incorrect version. They will be expected to learn the correct version in school and are tested on grammar so it's much harder for the children who don't hear the correct usage. Plus it can become another thing that makes children for disadvantaged backgrounds stand out if they want a professional career/leadership position etc.

The one place that I think it's unforgiveable to misuse grammar is in primary schools by teaching staff. It happens in my DC school regularly (including in letters/displays) and my view is that if they think it's important to teach children to use correct grammar then they should demonstrate it consistently. don't get me started on notices in school about SAT's (not my apostrophe)

I came on here to say almost exactly this. I have a distant relative who is a primary school teacher and her grammar and punctuation is so bad I've had to mute her on Facebook for the sake of my blood pressure!

In the past I've had to recruit staff and applications with multiple grammatical or spelling mistakes go straight in the "no" file. Slightly more leeway for people who have English as a second language. But if kids are not taught correctly at school, how will they even know that they are getting things wrong?

PinkBuffalo · 12/09/2022 13:57

Yabu we are all different and I really struggle with written and verbal communication you are probably my friend on social media judging me🙄

Kissingfrogs25 · 12/09/2022 13:58

Gosh, I wish I had time to worry about this!

Pedantic, yes - not everyone is fortunate enough to have an outstanding education, and it is representative of their schooling.

So YABVU and very insensitive.

ComtesseDeSpair · 12/09/2022 14:00

But part of me feels irritated that people aren't taught how to use their own language correctly at school.

I think “their own language” is an interesting but problematic concept. Who owns a language? Who ultimately got to decide which the correct way to use it was? Language exists to communicate, among other things, our experience of ourselves and our perception of the world. On that basis, why would a young black woman from a West African background living in Hackney, a white middle aged man from Surrey, an elderly man who’s lived all his life on Orkney, a Bradford-based woman who was born and learned English in India, an American expat woman and so on, all speak and write in exactly the same way? Standard English and Received Pronunciation reflect the language of a group which has always been a minority in the UK and is even more so now.

When we talk about “correct English” what we really mean is the English which was decided as the right way to speak and write by a small subset of the population at a time when this subset were considered (and considered themselves) superior. Trainspotting, Last Exit to Brooklyn, Their Eyes Were Watching God, The Color Purple, A Clockwork Orange to name just a few are no less great novels for being written in non-standard English; indeed, it’s the fact that they’re so written which contributes to them being great novels. They represent the usage of language reflecting who we are and how we live our lives.

RobertsRadio · 12/09/2022 14:03

YADNBU

BlueThingie · 12/09/2022 14:05

pjmasksitsthepjmasks · 12/09/2022 11:47

I absolutely agree with you on this.
In the last couple of days I've read:
"It needs investigated"
"It needs done"
"It needs eaten"

Why have the words "to be" been completely missed? It drives me batty!

This is a regional variant and totally normal in much of Ireland, among other places.

scissorsandsellotape · 12/09/2022 14:09

FlaminNoraPhyllis · 12/09/2022 11:55

I mean I got 99 problems and this isn't even in the top 8 billion

😂

Whatup · 12/09/2022 14:15

K

IMustMakeAmends · 12/09/2022 14:24

*I absolutely agree with you on this.
In the last couple of days I've read:
"It needs investigated"
"It needs done"
"It needs eaten"

Why have the words "to be" been completely missed? It drives me batty!*

This is normal parlance in Scotland and Ireland. It comes up on MN about once a week.

DadDadDad · 12/09/2022 14:26

I have a distant relative who is a primary school teacher and her grammar and punctuation is so bad I've had to mute her on Facebook for the sake of my blood pressure!

@Kokapetl - that should be "are so bad", since subject is plural ("grammar and punctuation").

Sorry, you're an inevitable victim of Muphry's Law (or one of its variants), and in this context, I had to point it out. Smile

ChangePlease · 12/09/2022 14:29

I see a lot of ‘needs mended’ and similar on here but have never really heard it in real life. Is it a regional thing?

Culldesack · 12/09/2022 14:35

I agree with you. The overused - usually incorrectly applied - word "literally" is another one.

ComtesseDeSpair · 12/09/2022 14:37

ChangePlease · 12/09/2022 14:29

I see a lot of ‘needs mended’ and similar on here but have never really heard it in real life. Is it a regional thing?

See the several posts which have confirmed it’s prevalent in parts of Scotland and Ireland. It’s also common to particular regions of the US with high levels of eighteenth century Scottish immigration - notably western Pennsylvania and eastern Ohio - and parts of New Zealand which had same, which supports it being an archaic form.

Calliop · 12/09/2022 14:37

Aw, I rather like "needs mended". It just sounds like a regional difference to me.

"I did good", *you did great" etc wind me up, but neither would be improved by adding the "-ly"!

SillySausage21356 · 12/09/2022 14:40

OH god

Another member of the 'permanently offended brigade'

ReeseWitherfork · 12/09/2022 14:40

I do think language is becoming more colloquial than it ever was. I thought I’d be fan; I generally like when people make language more interesting by putting their own spin on it. However I do fear that we’ll all struggle to understand each other in ten years time if it carries on the way it’s going.