I don't want to be 'reigned over' anymore

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While I totally respect the Queen and how she served the country, I think it's now a good time to end the monarchy as I think modern society has outgrown it.

Just the idea that someone inherits the job of head of state through birthright and reigns over us peasants is crazy in this modern age. Then all the ceremonies, titles, line of succession are remnants of a completely different era and tbh remind me of episodes of The Tudors or Game of Thrones, it's just so archaic and out of place.

I think having to bow and curtsey to people just because they were born or married into a special family also seems ridiculous. Why should I have to curtsey to any of them? Not saying I'd be rude or disrespectful but having to bend my knee to a set of people as if they were deities, it's just insane! I think I'd actually feel humiliated.

I also don't get the fawning and crying outside the palace - by all means be respectful and recognise her contribution but crying about someone you've never met? To me it's OTT

Back in medieval times when there was little education and religion was used to manipulate the masses, I can understand why all the peasants went mad for their sovereign and saw them as annointed by God etc etc but we're much more enlightened now (most of us!) so we need to make way for a new way of doing things.

Even a new national anthem - why is it all about the king or queen and god saving them? Why not about the people, the nation as a whole?

That said, I also hate the idea of someone like Boris Johnson being head of state and I bet that's a role he'd go for if we were a Republic. Swings and Roundabouts!

YABU - God save the king, monarchy forever
YANBU - time to end the monarchy

What a sick twisted thing to say. Obviously enhanced redundancy pay is equivalent to murdering babies. You should be ashamed.

@OnlyEverAutumn So if your employer was planning to move offices in a few weeks, necessitating a massive reshuffle and you possibly being offered a job elsewhere or made redundant, how much notice would you like?

I've been head of HR with a very rich boss. He wouldn't have had a clue when I was sending out letters to consult on redundancies, not that these letters are at that stage they are just letting people know an outline plan.

Ye Olde Doffing the Cap is retreating isn't it? Those who continue to make excuses are sounding like pleading squeaks now.

I am not getting at you personally, please don't think so.

The difference between your Very Rich Boss and Charles is that one is running a business and doesn't have to maintain a public profile on behalf of his subjects. Charles does, we all contribute (albeit a relatively small sum each) to his lifestyle and wealth, we don't have to contribute to your boss's business.

PR disaster I'm afraid, no getting away from it.

@greenhousegal These are people's livelihoods we're talking about.

I'd hope that any company that was relocating and undergoing a massive reshuffle would let their employees know what was happening ASAP. It's nothing to do with the RF per se.

I'm glad I'm not one of them. They don't sound delighted to have been told this news, particularly during the Queen's mourning period. I'd say another week would have made things a lot better from a public perception POV. I am sure the RF Firm could have done that little thing. The staff knew this was to happen, it is the timing and coldness of it that gets me.

Look, I know life goes on and things change, but if there is a chance of being decent about it, take it.

And now the latest pen thing. At some point I think he's going to realise that handing over to William and Kate and younger blood will probably be the best thing for "The Firm". After all, we currently have 3 living Pope's unthinkable until a few years ago.

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I think you missed the point that rich busy men don't do the post in many organisations. I think Charles has probably been busier than my boss this last week and the chances of him personally being involved in HR letters is pretty remote.

Tired man in mourning gets the date wrong and frustrated with a dodgy pen. He really needs putting in The Tower.

Some staff will almost certainly have been asking what the plan is. They aren't stupid and people like to know there is a plan.

No I didn't miss the point. I actually said earlier that Charles was the only person in control of the timeline involved in this, based on his planned move to Buck House. He knew his staff would be moved around and it was within his gift to veto release of the information until after his mother was buried and then increase the notice period. He may not have opened the post so to speak, but anyone in his position would surely have a weather eye on PR and his image and vetoed release of the news right now.

Either he didn't care, or he wasn't told. I don't know which is worse.

Iain Dale, arch monarchist and Tory on LBC is taking no prisoners on the radio at the moment and is calling out the redundancy issue as he hears it - appalling. Which it is. Maybe Harry is right - there are no emotions in these people or at least ones we could understand.

You really have no idea of HR in a big organisation. They employ people to run things, pretty pointless if they don't let them get on with their jobs. I'd have been shocked if my boss had come in within days of his mother's death to work out when I should send letters out.

For gods sake ,

They have planned their 'operation London Bridge ' for decades ! They knew he'd be moving .
Either

1. They planned for this schedule - totally tone deaf and thoughtless

Or

1. They didnt give their employees a second thought

Based on their reputation as emoloyers I'd say 2

Now now, no need for any personal insults regarding my knowledge or lack thereof of HR matters!

There is a big difference between a business decision on redundancy and reorganisation made by HR which is normal, and a situation like this which involves the Monarch and his staff during the period of National Mourning for the late Queen.

A man of immeasurable wealth who doesn't pay inheritance tax on his mother's millions has advisers who think issuing redundancy notices before said mother's funeral is a cracking idea.

Great start to the kingship.

Charles may not have known exactly when the letters were going out, but as with any organisation the culture is set by its CEO. The culture fostered at Charles PLC clearly is not one which cares for its staff. But all you cap doffers will mo doubt carry on twisting yourselves into knots in order to believe Charles and the rest of them give a shiny shit about anyone that is not them.

I think this is the beginning of the end for the monarchy in its current form.

Well come the republic they’ll all be fired. Not sure why anti monarchists are concerned about the small number of enhanced redundancies after a consultation period. Surely the less “cap doffers” there are the better?

I am sure the transition to the Republic could be managed sympathetically and fairly. We could afford very generous redundancy packages and help with relocation costs given how much money we will be saving.

I don't wish the cap doffers any harm. They are allowed their opinion in the same way that Republicans are. Oh wait...

@lightisnotwhite what is being pointed out here is the inconsistent application of moral values. This thread, and others, is full of outraged comments criticising anti-monarchy signs, protests etc etc with the rationale that it’s ‘not the time’, ‘show some respect’, ‘he’s grieving’ etc etc. Apparently it IS the time for redundancy notice to be issued, it’s NOT disrespectful to issue this during whatever remembrance service was going on and he’s not grieving too much to give the sign off which, as employer, he will have done or authorised. Don’t try and work out what moral code or values are being applied here. The King is right regardless. Yes, that’s the nature of the role. Yes, I want it gone.

And at the same time people holding up blank pieces of paper are told they are disrespectful and this is not the time. This country is bonkers.

Really?

Who did you think would be Head of State whilst we had this period of national introspection? How would we have decided - a referendum that would have taken months to sort, and then what would happen if the answer was "no"? An extended period of limbo - still with no Head of State - whilst we developed new constitutional arrangements and a presidency?

And the King became the King IMMEDIATELY on the death of the Queen. The proclamation simply formalises the reality. The Coronation - which will occur sometime in the months ahead - will cement that constitutional reality further.

@Otezres Yes I get what you’re saying. Mine was a lighthearted comment to the hypocrisy of wanting the cap doffers and monarchy gone but getting angry on their half.
Anyhow it’s nothing to do with moral values. The grim reality of one monarch dying and the next immediately replacing them is there’s lots of transition and i’s to dot immediately . Issuing the official letter stating there’s a move of resident is part of that swift change. The consultation period takes place after the funeral so plenty of time for people to think about what they want to do.