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arghpleasestop · 2022-09-09T20:54:38+00:00

OK, it's been 24 hours now. Can I say it yet? Long live the king - any king! - you must be joking. How on earth can it be the 21st century and there is still a hereditary monarchy of 'special people with the right blood' who wear crowns, live in palaces and play a formal role in politics? I can see from other threads that others feel upset and are following it all closely. This thread is not to deny those feelings and for sure Queen E worked hard shaking hands for a long time - but to say, WTF, bring on the republic please.

Novella4 · 11/09/2022 07:02

You are paranoid @Festoonlights !

Ever heard of an organisation called Republuc ?

Festoonlights · 11/09/2022 07:05

I didn't see any problem with the recording, assuming it is the one of King Charles? He didn't swear, it has already been checked by a lip reader and has since been deleted from MN as it is inaccurate. I can report the one on here as well.

No one wants another referendum here thanks. We are done with refs for a while 😊I am happy our country is in a great place to embrace a new era, fortunately the general public feel differently to you. You are a definite minority.
Republicans seem to be motivated by hate and bitterness, it is very off putting.

Alexandra2001 · 11/09/2022 07:45

If you feel some random can rock up and do the same job as the Queen has done for seventy years, quite frankly you are totally and utterly deluded

..but what does the RF do? all the things you list, haven't prevented the UK's steady decline, our loss of manufacturing, a terrible NHS, a Social care and Ambulance service that has basically stopped working.

The RF sum up all that is wrong with the UK, nostalgia! always looking back, be it with Brexit (lets go back to pre EEC) or Football (1966) we never seem to be able to examine ourselves, see our faults and change... instead we long for days past.

You call Republicans "Bitter and hateful" again, yet more negative backward thinking, insults thrown to people you don't even know!

More n more Commonwealth countries will drop KC3 as head of state, so we need to look forward and have a Scandinavian style Monarchy... far more open, much cheaper and with far far less pomp... if we don't, KC may well be the last monarch.

TarasHarp55 · 11/09/2022 07:48

Festoonlights · 11/09/2022 06:21

A puppet head of state with no real authority does not, and will never fill me with confidence. I do not yearn to be any way like Ireland! Or any of these countries without a glittering royal family. Just staid men in suits that have power played their way to the top.

The Kings and Queens in this country are prepared all of their lives (in some cases for over seventy years) for the role, every day is devoted to learning every aspect of the job, and they offer an amazing diplomatic service at the highest level, putting the country's interests first and foremost.
One of the biggest draw to London is the Royal Family creating tens of millions of pounds in revenue.

Our country would be an infinitely more dull, rudderless, dangerous and disengaged from our long and incredible history. The fact that we have held on to such wonderful historical ties and traditions makes me feel part of something bigger and better than the present day. It goes well beyond the fashions and trends and offers us all a thread of security and comfort throughout our lives. Without a shadow of doubt, they bring so much to our country - and without them we would be infinitely poorer.

If you feel some random can rock up and do the same job as the Queen has done for seventy years, quite frankly you are totally and utterly deluded.

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*Probably do it better, I should imagine. We've never had anyone else to compare with have we. How hard can it be.

I'm certain that somone who has to strive to reach a position is going to be far better than someone who just inherits it.

Charles has now become "king" regardless of any experience or suitability......Wonder how many votes he'd have got🤔

As for the tourism thing, the biggest draw certainly isn't the royal family. But if all those palaces were thrown open to the public we'd get far more. France doesn't do too bad....*

EbbyEbs · 11/09/2022 07:56

I think they should just put Louis in charge, he’s the only one left with a bit of personality.

Anyone noticed how depressed George always looks? It’s rare to see the kid smile

AuxArmesCitoyens · 11/09/2022 08:31

yeah I think it's actively cruel to kids to bring them up like that.

They're hardly Britain's brightest and best, are they? Pretty sure I could rock up and cut some ribbons etc. with a week's training. Not to mention, again, that the queen wasn't trained for it from birth, when she was born no-one knew her uncle would not have children and then abdicate.

So again I ask, what happens if we have an heir who is constitutionally unsuited to the role, for whatever reason? What's the plan B in a constitutional monarchy?

EbbyEbs · 11/09/2022 08:47

I often wonder what would have happened if Harry had been the older son … would they have ensured his relationship with Meghan did NOT happen?

I also wonder about Kate … if she wanted a divorce, would she be “persuaded” against it?

TarasHarp55 · 11/09/2022 08:52

Festoonlights · 11/09/2022 06:59

I always wonder who these people are that are so desperate to get rid of our Royal family, I often find that they are jealous of what we have. Live in boring bland republics with no history and look on at ours with envy.

Our Royal family are not going to be replaced by a random any time soon, thank heavens. There is no public support whatsoever to make our country a republic. Most people love the Queen and her family, and feel deeply saddened by her passing - only reinforcing their connection to the RF. You don't have to agree with it, there are plenty of places you can live with a head of state that could be anyone (although strangely always usually a man) so I suggest your chances of the UK becoming a republic are around zero. So off you pop if you live here, and if you don't please stop interfering. It is none of your business.

*The idea that other countries are jealous of our royal family is hilarious. Even if it was true I'm sure they wouldn't be if they knew the truth. A shower of free loading hypocrites....bloated, corrupt, tax dodging, immoral, unaccountable, over privileged spongers is putting it mildly.

EbbyEbs · 11/09/2022 08:58

Prince Andrew was touching his daughters arse whilst looking at the flowers, the videos are all over social media

cakeorwine · 11/09/2022 09:23

I don't think it's right that a family have their life mapped out. They know their future from when they are young. Of course, the Queen only became Queen because of her Uncle abdicating - who knows who we would have had instead.

The Royals have 1 life. Just like everyone else. And they can't make their own story. They have it mapped out.

Harry was right. It is the Truman Show. And there are people on here who are more than happy to see these people entertain them.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 11/09/2022 09:31

*I always wonder who these people are that are so desperate to get rid of our Royal family, I often find that they are jealous of what we have. Live in boring bland republics with no history and look on at ours with envy.

Our Royal family are not going to be replaced by a random any time soon, thank heavens. There is no public support whatsoever to make our country a republic. Most people love the Queen and her family, and feel deeply saddened by her passing - only reinforcing their connection to the RF. You don't have to agree with it, there are plenty of places you can live with a head of state that could be anyone (although strangely always usually a man) so I suggest your chances of the UK becoming a republic are around zero. So off you pop if you live here, and if you don't please stop interfering. It is none of your business*

The Republican group Republic have had a massive surge in membership this week,.

AuxArmesCitoyens · 11/09/2022 09:37

Live in boring bland republics with no history and look on at ours with envy

oh I missed this gem 😂yeah no other country has any history

AuxArmesCitoyens · 11/09/2022 09:38

People who marry into the royal family aren't bred to it from birth, yet somehow they manage to pick up the skills soon enough. Maybe because shaking hands, being driven around and holding bunches of flowers isn't actually that hard.

TarasHarp55 · 11/09/2022 09:47

Discovereads · 10/09/2022 23:30

Lol! No “we” (as in we the working class) would not see a penny. The MPs would sell the lands for pennies an acre to developers who’d then parcel them off to the highest bidder (usually foreign buyers) and the profits from the resale would go straight to the developers who’d then pay dividends on the MPs “investment portfolios”. The pennies an acre would be quickly spent on some Parliamentary vanity project like giving the MPs an inflation busting pay rise, padding out their expense accounts, perhaps getting a private jet for every cabinet member. And poooft! There goes much of our national heritage and lands into the hands of developers who’ll destroy the bits that are environmental conservation habitats, frack as much as possible (polluting and earth quaking for hectares around), and so on.

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When I said "we" I mean the money would go back into the coffers. Whatever the government does with it is beyond our control but at least it wouldn't be going to line the pockets of a billionaire family any more than it has already.

LadyKenya · 11/09/2022 09:50

Festoonlights · 11/09/2022 07:05

I didn't see any problem with the recording, assuming it is the one of King Charles? He didn't swear, it has already been checked by a lip reader and has since been deleted from MN as it is inaccurate. I can report the one on here as well.

No one wants another referendum here thanks. We are done with refs for a while 😊I am happy our country is in a great place to embrace a new era, fortunately the general public feel differently to you. You are a definite minority.
Republicans seem to be motivated by hate and bitterness, it is very off putting.

What a simplistic way of looking at things. Not everybody who is opposed to having a monarchy is motivated by hate or bitterness. Blimey!

Kronprinz66 · 11/09/2022 09:54

You're not alone OP, good to hear someone say this. Republic have analysed and debunked the myth of tourism revenue that is cited as justification for the millions given directly to this collosally wealthy and secretive family, not to mention the benefits, revenues and exemptions for the Duchies and other sources of income. The problem is that to question the validity of this archaic, unequal, corrupt institution is seen as distasteful when a monarch dies but the next just slides into place and we start again. The
Queen, like Charles, misused her powers to protect her financial interests by lobbying on issues such as green taxes.
I'm not sure we can select her out as somehow different without backing the entire system. Millions could be retrieved for the public good if we overhauled this, and the relentless BBC coverage, paid for by our licence fee, sure is aggravating. So solidarity OP, lots of people like you are gritting their teeth through the next few weeks and gorging on Netflix....

Frangipani0 · 11/09/2022 10:00

I’ve found my people.

Tabbycat80 · 11/09/2022 10:02

Spot on OP. Posters who think the RF, Queen included, do not lobby on legal and financial issues for their own benefit have their fingers in their ears.
And as for becoming one of those boring countries with no tourist revenue... err Versailles?

Tabbycat80 · 11/09/2022 10:03

Frangipani0 · 11/09/2022 10:00

I’ve found my people.

Nice isn't it 😀
I had to watch A Place in the Sun the other morning to escape the blanket coverage. Tough times 😂

Festoonlights · 11/09/2022 10:06

LadyKenya · 11/09/2022 09:50

What a simplistic way of looking at things. Not everybody who is opposed to having a monarchy is motivated by hate or bitterness. Blimey!

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And some of us prefer to have a life beyond the vacuous, and deeply appreciate and understand the history of this country and other countries that have a rich and vibrant past. Educated to understand the meaning, traditions and values are important and play as much a part of our lives today as they did centuries ago.

Many of the posts are very bitter and nasty I am sorry to say, it is a reflection on the pp character to post such things rather than on the Monarchy I feel.

Everyone is entitled to a view, even a minority view, but it is poor taste posting now when the Queen has only just died.

cakeorwine · 11/09/2022 10:13

Festoonlights · 11/09/2022 10:06

And some of us prefer to have a life beyond the vacuous, and deeply appreciate and understand the history of this country and other countries that have a rich and vibrant past. Educated to understand the meaning, traditions and values are important and play as much a part of our lives today as they did centuries ago.

Many of the posts are very bitter and nasty I am sorry to say, it is a reflection on the pp character to post such things rather than on the Monarchy I feel.

Everyone is entitled to a view, even a minority view, but it is poor taste posting now when the Queen has only just died.

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Right now we are being bombarded with things about the Queen. I was listening to music radio. They were talking about a singer who had got a dog and then the DJ said the Queen liked dogs.

Imagine an institution you can't stand. I am sure you can. Then imagine where it was discussed on all the media for ages, the radio kept mentioning it, the country shut down during a national cost of living crisis because of it, etc.

That's how it is at the moment. I am grateful to know that there are people (and there are many people) who share this view.

BeyondMyWits · 11/09/2022 10:14

Festoonlights · 11/09/2022 10:06

And some of us prefer to have a life beyond the vacuous, and deeply appreciate and understand the history of this country and other countries that have a rich and vibrant past. Educated to understand the meaning, traditions and values are important and play as much a part of our lives today as they did centuries ago.

Many of the posts are very bitter and nasty I am sorry to say, it is a reflection on the pp character to post such things rather than on the Monarchy I feel.

Everyone is entitled to a view, even a minority view, but it is poor taste posting now when the Queen has only just died.

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The thread title should have given you some indication as to the viewpoints being expressed within. There are many threads with an alternate view.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 11/09/2022 10:17

and understand the history of this country and other countries that have a rich and vibrant past. Educated to understand the meaning, traditions and values are important and play as much a part of our lives today as they did centuries ago

l think most of us on here are educated and understand meanings, traditions and values.

Its how you choose to interpret them….

Personally I’m more interested in The French and Russian revolutions that disposed the monarchy as they have a ‘very rich and vibrant past’ don’t they?

I’m not sure how much slave traders in the UK, or children working are values of the U.K. that l wish to see as ‘part of our lives today’

The U.K. is outdated and past it. We need to look foward..

countrygirl99 · 11/09/2022 10:19

I'm sure if Charles had stood for election his friendship with Jimmy Saville would have been an issue.

Novella4 · 11/09/2022 10:28

And the rest ...