republicans, over here!

I was/am sad, but I think its about hating change and being triggered by my past personal losses.

What has shocked me is seeing people I thought to be intelligent and for social justice showing their plebeian Royalist sides. Its kind of scary to be honest.
Idiots, idiots everywhere! (Insert meme)

It is time for change now, though it won’t happen coz idiots.

Thank fuck for this thread. I was beginning to think I was in a minority of one.

I want to live in a meritocracy, and be a citizen rather than a subject.

@cakeorwine

And Ireland becoming a republic was a blood free process was it?

I love the cloud cuckoo land republicans live in. It is so historically rosy tinted and fact lite.

Here’s a fact- in the real world the end of the monarchy would mean the short tears selling off of royal assets (they privately own quite chunk of it so would be keeping it) to the highest bidder.

In twenty years time we’d find we dismantled something we couldn’t afford to re-buy and there would still be a billionaire living in Windsor. Except they’d be a tech billionaire who would have no public interest in keeping it for the nation.

And of course what we need right now is another divise referendum and at total rewriting of our constitution, including all our rights. I suppose there might be a few things that Brexit hasn’t wrecked that we could still fuck up for ideological purposes.

What would any of this achieve expect making the people who hate monarchy feel better?

@Legrandsophie

I think the Monarchy will become less and less relevant.

There will not be the same outpouring for Charles as for the Queen.

Harry has gone off...so the Truman Show will be carried on by William and his family.

It will eat itself and become irrelevant

People will then switch over to a new channel

I have plans for both Saturday 17th and Monday 19th and will carry on with them. If anyone finds that disrespectful then that is their problem, it is certainly not mine. Mourning a total stranger is not compulsory.

I think you’re probably imagining yourself to be more important than you actually are.

What's the evidence that she considers herself "important"?

Agree with a lot of you. Nothing against the Queen and sad her reign has ended.No interest in the wall to wall coverage and very much wondering why there appears to be nothing else happening in the world according to news today. Wishing they would say when the funeral is as have my first annual leave coming up in ages and have plans.

I don't see the need for an monarchy and dont see the so called royals as anything special.

Big list of countries and their system of Government here

I think Charles is now Head of State of a lot of them

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_system_of_government

@cakeorwine I don’t disagree that it will eventually become irrelevant.

But another ideological referendum right now is what we need like a hole in the head. What will it actually change? How much would it cost? And how difficult would it be?

The whole constitution is based on a constitutional monarch as head of state. We would have to start from scratch. Considering how long Brexit is taking it would be unwise to start to unravel everything at the same time.

Realistically, I’m a country where so many vote Tory. Would we be looking at better or worse conditions for the average man. Would it stop minimum wage exploitation or the envers crisis. No. It wouldn’t. It would be a pointless costly distraction.

So if there’s a referendum on keeping or abolishing the monarchy

will you be okay to abide by the majority vote? Or do you feel democracy should be overridden to get rid of the monarchy?

@Legrandsophie

Your comment is so ignorant. Just using China as an example , the history is so complex and the 'royalty' changed countless times before they were finally deposed.

The main political party of the Chinese Republican movement was the KMT who then went on to found the Republic of China.

The ROC is now Taiwan after the KMT was forced out by the communist party (something that happened in many countries with many different political systems)

So actually the Republic of China and those who removed China's monarchy are thriving in one of the most democratic and advanced countries in Asia (with an excellent human rights record btw)

I am very firmly in the no disrespectful posting but goodness it’s appalling. We are in a Commonwealth country and I think it’s worse than if we were back home. I do think whilst there is affection for The Queen it doesn’t extend to the others. There have been rumblings down here for a long time and I think it will happen.

Strangely, my mother has recently died ( I hadn’t seen or heard from since my parents divorce when I was small) and I’m her only relative, have been organising her cremation etc… I was on the phone to the UK solicitor I’ve appointed to finalise her affairs ( flying to the UK is impossible due to family needs here) and he was sobbing down the phone at me about it! DH’s comment was ‘I hope his bill doesn’t include the sobbing minutes.’ Nothing like Yorkshire ‘humour’ in times of stress eh? :). Granted, I was the first appointment of the day for him, but wow. I was really surprised.

I understand that grief affects people in different ways, but I was in the UK when Diana died and didn’t understand the outpouring of grief for a woman most didn’t know. Sad for her children, but would be for any family.

I also wonder in these circumstances
1 What real news is being buried under the syrupy eulogies
2 Why people have such short memories, Charles is recently implicated in receiving inappropriate financial gifts
4 It was less than 8 months ago that The Queen was bailing out her son who was accused of rape and he agreed to pay reparations to someone he alleges he had never met. The she’s defending her son argument doesn’t work for me
5 The Queen has very quietly changed tax rules in Scotland to ensure that she didn’t have to pay tax on all the Balmoral land

An elderly lady died, who was my mum, and she lived, from what I can work out a desperately sad existence and was repeatedly failed by mental health services. The Queen, another elderly lady, died after a very comfortable life, sometimes fraught with family issues, but who was looked after very well. Both sad for the respective family, but does one merit more sympathy than the other?

Sorry to be ageist but by the time W+K become K+Q the oohs and aaahs about Kate's weight and her frocks will be more or less over, so what's left then? I think that pair are very vapid. I don't think I have heard W speak much in public, and oh dear I'm going for it now...his smile always looks kind of forced to me, i.e. rarely reflected in his eyes. A false looking grin lol.

I need to get out more.

As for the Irish Republic being born out of bloodshed and tears, well that had something to do with the British didn't it. Forever sticking their nose in other country's affairs. The Irish republic as it stands looks good to me. A figurehead President that can be from any background once aged over 35, and they have PR voting system too, so bloody democratic!

Macron and other presidents are not the same, they have power, the Irish version does not.

All respect due to the queen who has conducted herself virtually impeccably throughout her reign. I have a lot of respect for her as a person. Other members of the family, ie Andrew, are sadly dreadful people with no apparent sense of the responsibility, duty and respect that the queen always demonstrated. The problem with the system is that there is nothing to ensure you get an Elizabeth rather than an Andrew in the top job.
I lose all faith in humanity at times like this. Where is the logic in saying one particular person is better, more special, and deserves deference over all others for no other reason than they were born into the right family. Andrew proves the opposite. Thank god he wasn’t the eldest!
In my opinion there is no need for a live ceremonial head of state, let’s use the archetype of Britannia from now on.

We don't want a referendum.

But I do think it will become irrelevant and in maybe in my lifetime, we will see change.

Now is the perfect time. No expensive coronation.

I’m a member of Republic, I received this e-mail today.

How do you imagine it would be done without a referendum though?

I feel sorry for her family, I feel for Charles who now has to go and shake people's hands and see the PM not even 24 hours after his Mum died but that's as far as it goes for me.

I had respect for the queen but now it's time for the monarchy to go.

By itself. Just becoming irrelevant.

It will come politically. A call for a change. Politicians and the Monarchy itself sensing it.

I agree with you in principle. However in practice, I have no faith in he British public's ability to vote for anything or anyone sensible. I dread to think who they would want to be president

I hope the monarchy will end under Charles.

I just feel for William and their children.

It is the Truman show. Their 'story' mapped out from birth.

Harry had the right idea. A family trapped by duty.

If you look on the Republic FB page there was an excellent measured statement put out at about 8.30pm on the evening of Her Maj's death.

The more interesting stuff is the Republican Welsh opposition to the new "Prince" of Wales.

Wonder if the Royal Marines will have to defend a Welsh Investiture like they did last time?