To notice a growing hatred and intolerance of woman online?

[foxofthefells]

It's mostly in the past 2 years, typically in youtube comments under relatively benign things such as tv drama or film. I am also noticing it more on Amazon reviews when watching Prime tv content.

It's basically a fairly angry dismissal of women in general, so if a female character runs a police team or has an important, respectable role, the comments will often claim it to be 'woke' or 'women worship'. It is as if any respectful characterisation of a woman, especially in positions of power (whether in a career or sexuality) is degrading to men.
Alternatively, if the film or series depicts a troubled or vulnerable woman they remain suspiciously silent.

I have been watching and reading the same stuff over many years on the net, but have only noticed this growing loathing in the past two yrs or so.

More troubling are the comments or reviews of stories that depict crimes against women (Broadchurch, etc), where the content is described as 'pandering to women', 'men hating' or, again (and predictably....'woke'.
So, technically, it seems to be upsetting a lot of men to have to watch justice being done for rape and assault against women.
One crime series I watched recently depicted male members of a comany being held to account for sexual harassment. The comments/reviews for this were full of men complaining that back in the 80's women didn't mind being 'felt up' at work, so what is all the fuss about?

Has anyone else noticed this? I certainly don't look for this type of crap online, but often find it nestled in otherwise innocent places, and it appears to be growing.
I can't get my head around why any man would feel angry that we have to reduce harm and inappropriateness in general. Who are these cretins? Are they just baiting for a fight? Most of them seem genuinely upset that they can't enjoy the degradation of females in media anymore. It's a bit grim.
How many of them are there, and is this likely to become worse?

[ChagSameachDoreen]

Misogyny is everywhere.

[Fixyourself]

The rapid growth of ‘incels’ is very scary. And it’s being kept very quiet by the media.

[ddl1]

I've noticed it too; but not just in the last two years- it's been like that forever.

[Suzi888]

By other women or?

[endofthelinefinally]

There is a war being waged on women atm. From all directions. It is becoming increasingly aggressive and violent. What is really worrying is that there is so much support for it, not just from the MRAs, but from other women and from the police, the media, political parties, business, schools and universities.
Rape might as well be legal.
Male violence is out of control.
Women's rights are being dismantled at an alarming rate.

[Carlycat]

@YouAreNotBatman

Lots and lots of men hate women.
And now (well for few years - decade) they’ve been showing it on the internet.
I’m continuously suprised that women still like / want men in their lives.
There’s so many of them!
You can never know what they really thinking.
They seem to be attacted to pretty one’s, wnat sex with women and be their personal maid - but they don’t like women.
Or see them as fully human.
It’s sad…

This. I'm continually surprised that women want men in their lives. We don't actually need them. We've financially independent. We have birth control. What is the actual point of them?

[Carlycat]

@MargotChateau

My FIL is one of these types. I’m not ‘friends’ with him on Facebook precisely because he makes ghastly misogynistic comments on posts that used to pop up on my feed.

He gets furious with female sportspeople, presenters, female leads on television shows (like Dr Who which he’s never watched in his life).

It is grim.

He's scared shitless. His masculinity is being eroded. He's no longer needed.

[AndNo]

I think since the pandemic people have been more angry and acting out. The men's groups online have discovered they can say pretty much any vile thing and get away with it. I think it's a backlash to the amount of freedom women have now. I developed a theory in recent years that women are not allowed to enjoy themselves in public. Over the past week when lve been out to eat with a female friend, theres always been a male voyeur looking on. Or in the supermarket being eyed up and followed. It's as if men have organised and decided, no that woman looks too happy and independent. I'm not young, just look reasonably healthy, but men seem to think lm a moving target.

[BigCheeseSandwich]

I’m a journalist, with my email on my byline. Over the last two years there has been a marked uptick in the amount of abuse, my female colleagues have noticed it too, and we have tightened our office security. It’s a rare week when I don’t get a “die you cunt” email.

[ChrisTrepidation]

Lots and lots of men hate/dislike women. It has always been there but due to SM their voice is getting louder and stronger.

I no longer want a man in my life. All men have ever done is hurt, abuse and treat me badly. Yes you can say NAMALT but in my 43 years on earth ever one I've been with has been. I don't want any part of it anymore.

[Happycamper2022]

@Suzi888

By other women or?

Its by other woman and men

[KohlaParasaurus]

Yes. You don't need to read very far down the BTL comments on almost any newspaper article to see that there are a lot of men desperate to express their fizzling resentment of and contempt for women on a cowardly anonymous platform.

[Happycamper2022]

@ChrisTrepidation

Lots and lots of men hate/dislike women. It has always been there but due to SM their voice is getting louder and stronger.

I no longer want a man in my life. All men have ever done is hurt, abuse and treat me badly. Yes you can say NAMALT but in my 43 years on earth ever one I've been with has been. I don't want any part of it anymore.

This is my expierence with men
Then you will get a smug acquaintance who think shes struck gold with one from tinder
As an on looker he is excatly the same as the rest and is a covert narcissist
I think the reality for woman to realise 99%.of men dont even like woman is a hard reality to stomach
I deluded myself for years until i worked in womans health - then seen at the coal face that no. Certain woman dont 'attract it' - certain woman are unlucky to be the 1 in 3 that is in a domestically violent situation and then has the balls the to stand up and leave. I really am starting to believe the amount of woman whole delude themselves they are NAMALT relationship when actually they are is staggering.

I had this instinct but it was not until a woman admitted to me when she found out her husband had done a runner with their money and left her for a younger woman (she was 42/3 dc) she said in her most vulnearable... 'i thought I was safe, I admit I was snug and used to laugh and pity my friends who found it hard to find a partner'. The penny dropped and I realised my observations were spot on.

The issue is once she leaves she has the internalises misogynoy to deal with from her 'friends'. My robert would never do that, how did you even MEET him, how did you end up in that situation tee hee.

I have seen it over and over and over and over and over again

We have the attitudes from men and also other woman.

If you end up with one of these guys - certain woman will do somersaults about your childhood, personality and whatever other excuse to make it seem its something you have done - its almost too much to accept how prevelant it is and to deflect from their own expierences and society at large.

[dottiedodah]

Farmageddon I agree . I actually feel women are being marginalised. Jk Rowling and sharron davies speak up for us and have death threats lack of work for sharron .we have fought for our rights and are increasingly denigrated.referred to as people with vaginas and the porn industry makes obscene amounts of money. (Jennie Murray wrote about this the other day in the mail )apologies for link .sm makes it possible for any misogynistic male to soothe his little ego by bullying females

[SynchOrSwim]

Read Men Who Hate Women by Laura Bates.

[Happycamper2022]

@SynchOrSwim

Read Men Who Hate Women by Laura Bates.

Yep
Also 'woman are blamed for everything'

My list can go on and on

[BeardyButton]

@foxofthefells

I am honestly more interested in why, though. What is wrong with them? What the hell are they so uncomfortable about? Guess ive been living in a bubble

patriarchy suited them. They were ‘superior’ without having to do much, just because they weren’t female. That intrinsic superiority is being chipped away, and with it their status.

have a look at the incel networks. All the talk of Alphas and Betas. It’s all about status.

[Mumspair1]

I find it the other way around on MN!

[Happycamper2022]

@BeardyButton
I know a man who is very angry
He never went to uni - was on drugs and abused alcohol his rarly 20s
Was asked to leave every job he had
He was tall so managed to get a girlfriend
He was the only son of a huge business his dad had

He was a vile angry man


Anyway

He gets to about late twenties
The dad gives him the 500k per annum business which is already basically run by others
He marries the woman in a huge ceremony
He has a designer flat in the west end of our city
Fancy cars and no expense spared
Hes only worked since he was 28/29

I worked three jobs since I was 18 - got into uni and studied for six years. Then worked since I was 23. I paid off all my student debt alone. Got a one bed flat and that is how I live now. Didnt go on holiday for 3 years saving up for it

The reason this guy has fallen on his feet in life is because he is a MAN. Its like the taylor swift song 'if I was a man'. And then theres me. The same age as him and dodging grenades in relationships, couldnt even think about affording a wedding like that but on the opposite end of the spectrum. Worked hard from age 14/15. No time or money for cocaine but when you look from the outside he is winning at life. And fuck knows how he got a wife. He sexually assaulted a friend of mines. But no one cares

[StanwayRussoHempParris]

@endofthelinefinally

There is a war being waged on women atm. From all directions. It is becoming increasingly aggressive and violent. What is really worrying is that there is so much support for it, not just from the MRAs, but from other women and from the police, the media, political parties, business, schools and universities.
Rape might as well be legal.
Male violence is out of control.
Women's rights are being dismantled at an alarming rate.

Sadly I think you’re right.

[Happycamper2022]

@endofthelinefinally i agree too

[MsTSwift]

Read a book years ago by Susan faludi called Backlash. Her view was whenever in history women get some more freedom or autonomy there is a societal backlash against it. Think she’s right sadly and we seeing it again now.

[WandaWomblesaurus]

Just look at the torrent of rape and death threats JK Rowling has received - and the lack of support by many of her fellow male authors.

And why? For saying that vulnerable women and children need protection from predatory men who will use the corrosion of our boundaries to take advantage. And she is right. It's happening. Stonewall pushing companies to remove the word mother, women, she.

Remove the boundaries and men have access to all of our spaces and in turn vulnerable children and women. Lesbians are being told to accept penises.

As soon as any woman talks about the reality of predatory and dangerous men, we are targeting by predatory and dangerous men.

Even on a smaller scale - the sheer entitlement of men who see us as their handmaidens. And the way we keep defending them. Pandering to them. Rescuing them. Hoping they will treat us well.

Maybe it will work out for some women. But for many women it doesn't.

Some women don't survive men. kareningalasmith.com/counting-dead-women/

Others count our blessings we were just raped and not murdered. I count my blessings that I was just raped and not murdered. I'm lucky I wasn't murdered by my dad in one of his violent drunk rages. I'm lucky I was able to escape an arranged marriage to man twice my age.

The biggest fear I have for my daughter's future - is predatory men.

On the internet the incels seem to exist to put out a woman's light.

Now I see young women backing men up in their misogyny constantly by centering them in conversations about women - in buying in to the gender ideology and putting any man who says he is a woman on a pedestal.

In my own work with women's reproductive health I've been told not to use the word woman.

My partner is a semi decent bloke. He's got a residue of entitled behaviour that he's trying to work on.
It's taken years though. Years of my time.

It's all so exhausting.
You'll get women on here saying "men get hurt and abused too, men blah blah too"

They will learn. Or maybe they haven't learned and do what so many of us do and keep hoping, keep trying, keep looking for ways to teach them how to treat us.

I'm sure there are nice men out there.
I have lots of male friends who appear to be caring.

I just don't trust them unless I've known them for years. It's sad but there it is.

[Mumspair1]

Er no. He had a family who handed it to him not because he's a man.

[Happycamper2022]

My grandmother has never in her life seen society the way it is
The way men are going on
The way woman are going on
The online dating
The sliding into dms
The woman using botox and face fillers (no judgement I do it) the pouting and likes on instagram
The men posing around


In the past year I have gone on dates
Made an effort
Some of them find it funny to not pay the bill
I have never expierenced this
Its like a pie to your face for two lattes
They wait to see if your going to offer and pay
Its so fucking weird
Its almost like
If your going to be a strong independent woman outside this relationship - if you have the audiacity to out earn me - then you can feel the repercussions by me rejecting you and laughing in your face