To ask what the plan is for covid this winter?

[TreeHouse8]

Winter will soon be upon us and for many, the worry is understandably how they'll heat their homes. However, covid has not gone away with hundreds dying every week and many more getting long covid.

Not that you would know it from the media, who have moved onto their best story. Am I the only one concerned that there has been no mention of what protections will be in place to protect the nhs when we inevitably have a winter covid wave? Is the message still "let the bodies like high"?

Surely the government should be setting out a plan now for common sense, light touch protections that will help the NHS get through winter? I.e. boosters offered to all, a return to testing and isolating if positive, work from home, high-quality masks indoors, social distancing in hospitality, ventilation in public spaces.

They should also list further protections that may need to be imposed depending on numbers and criteria for these, such as limits on large events, the rule of 6, ban on indoor mixing, blended learning up to full lockdown if unfortunately necessary.

Are the vulnerable and the NHS just going to be fed to the wolves this winter?

according to gov data above there were 419 deaths within 28 days of a positive covid test ( not that covid was cause of death) this is approx 60 per day which is below the normal rate of deaths per day in august for respiratory infections

over the whole year approx 666,000 deaths ie approx 1 in a 100 people at the average age of about 80 this hasn't changed by more than a few weeks over the pandemic this equates to 1824 per day of which over 500 are cancer about 400 heart disease and 400 dementia and related which is very high compared to about 60 where covid is even mentioned and most of those "covid" cases will have other things on death certificate

Agreed. While expecting others to go out to work in supermarkets and warehouses and delivery vans, with all that contact, so they don’t have to go out themselves. And home is probably very nice, with a garden, and not a tiny studio flat or houseshare. That’s only a fraction of it.

I do think the OP is a wind up but it’s a good barometer of where we are now. In a huge recession and struggling....

Wow.

Reading makes me want to cry. The harm that was done!

This won't happen. Even if a lockdown was declared and all the restaurants and bars were to close, the general population won't comply. They'll go and hang out in each other's houses instead (which will spread coronavirus even faster than going to restaurants). To enforce a lockdown, the Government need the consent of the population - which they won't have.

Gas and electricity is going to become more expensive. There's not going to be any "having the heating on while leaving the door open".

Wasn't it a Times reader who described lockdown as "middle class people hiding and working class people bringing them things"? There are plenty of people who absolutely loved the lockdowns - staying at home, being paid to stay at home and being told how virtuous they are for staying at home.

So why not require protective measures where they can be introduced without causing big problems?

Because I don't want any measures, they made life shitty.

Booster shots are all well and good, but many people who are immune suppressed haven't developed any antibodies from the first 5 vaccinations they've had so have zero protection.
They are the people who need the protection of evushield which the government refuses to fund because it says it doesnt know how effective it is. This is despite nearly 40 other countries using it for nearly a year with fantastic results for the cev.

Yes it is. If you use the link to ONS. It specifically separates the total number of deaths with Covid from those caused by Covid.

Nahhhh. Not interested in anything like that.
Covid doesn’t even enter my head now. I’m done with it.

Buy yourself a Hazmat suit!

100% this

Quite, but apparently social distancing is a dead easy win and all that.

@Beezknees sounds like op is

And guess who will end up paying for the giant holes left in the budget ...

I agree OP.

Just anecdotally, I spent this afternoon in A&E at our local NHS hospital. Not only were most of the patient not wearing masks, but the doctors and nurses weren't either.

When I checked the current rules, they said they'd stopped requiring masks in wards so had extended it informally to outpatients too.

So maybe NHS staff aren't quite fearing the apocalypse described by the OP.

@sst1234 I'd hate to be at the end of it when you do get personal 😁> "I really try and avoid getting personal on these threads, but this thread is unbelievably stupid. OP you are a complete idiot. It’s hard to believe that people with your intellect make it from one day to the next."

This

Well, take a look at statistics about "surplus mortality" since end 2019.
Lots of data can be twisted and reinterpreted in many ways, but the raw numbers of dead people are a bit difficult to hide or "reinterpret creatively".
Even without that, it doesn't take a genius to predict what will happen when you in effect prevent people from getting treatment for preventable and/or curable diseases, or what marvels it will do for mental health if you keep generating mass panic for months on and ruin the livelihood of millions of people (not everyone was paid to sit at home doing nothing).