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To ask what the plan is for covid this winter?

219 replies

TreeHouse8 · 07/09/2022 20:28

Winter will soon be upon us and for many, the worry is understandably how they'll heat their homes. However, covid has not gone away with hundreds dying every week and many more getting long covid.

Not that you would know it from the media, who have moved onto their best story. Am I the only one concerned that there has been no mention of what protections will be in place to protect the nhs when we inevitably have a winter covid wave? Is the message still "let the bodies like high"?

Surely the government should be setting out a plan now for common sense, light touch protections that will help the NHS get through winter? I.e. boosters offered to all, a return to testing and isolating if positive, work from home, high-quality masks indoors, social distancing in hospitality, ventilation in public spaces.

They should also list further protections that may need to be imposed depending on numbers and criteria for these, such as limits on large events, the rule of 6, ban on indoor mixing, blended learning up to full lockdown if unfortunately necessary.

Are the vulnerable and the NHS just going to be fed to the wolves this winter?

OP posts:
illiterato · 07/09/2022 21:08

OP should move to Hong Kong. She'd absolutely love it there.

vodkaredbullgirl · 07/09/2022 21:09

Twawmyarse · 07/09/2022 21:08

You probably have but didn't even know it.

I can't believe people are still fretting about covid. I literally couldn't give a shit - you may as well be constantly worrying that you are going to catch any other illness and die from it or get run over when you step out of the house - who wants to live like that? Even my cv mother is going out and about on public transport and living her life as normal. I think some people just have serious anxiety issues or secretly enjoyed all the drama.

Ive not even had a cold in years.

TreeHouse8 · 07/09/2022 21:09

@Overthebow

Expert groups like independent sage were very clear that we should have been in full lockdown last winter.

Tens of thousands of lives would have been saved and hundreds if thousands fewer would now have long covid if we had followed the science rather than the far right covid deniers.

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BuwchGochGota · 07/09/2022 21:09

I'm classed as vulnerable, was on the shielding list. I will get another booster this autumn and have also booked my flu jab, as I do every year. I'm classing them as similar in my head - I've been hospitalised as a result of flu in the past.

I had Covid in the Spring and was fairly ill. If I hadn't had a pulse oximeter at home I would have been hospitalised for observation, as it was the GP phoned every day for a week to check on me and I managed to stay out of hospital. I'd rather not catch it again, but there is probably some level of inevitability about it.

I can WFH, so if it looks like case numbers are rising I will be staying out of the office. However it will be hard to tell if numbers are rising without testing and reporting of the data.

HouseOfGuineas · 07/09/2022 21:09

So wear a mask OP, no one is stopping you!

Antarcticant · 07/09/2022 21:10

WiseUpJanetWeiss · 07/09/2022 21:05

I don't think there are any shortages. Where did you hear that?

Article here - I can't vouch for whether it's true, of course.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/09/04/shortages-volunteers-vaccines-threaten-covid-booster-rollout/

5128gap · 07/09/2022 21:10

The last thing we need this winter is to be forced to WFH or home school, all needing to heat our homes separately rather than taking advantage of communal spaces, and for elderly people to be frightened into staying home, when they're too worried to put the heating on.
If anything, people should be encouraged to group together in public venues to access a shared heated space.
The way things are looking, hypothermia will be a greater risk than covid this winter.

TheLadyofShalott1 · 07/09/2022 21:10

vodkaredbullgirl · 07/09/2022 20:58

Work in care and had 2 do 3 lfts and pcr every week.

I am just being pedantic @vodkaredbullgirl it is of no consequence to me, except that I am glad that you haven't suffered from it.

However I am still a pedant, and so I will say that I had an awful cold/flu just before Christmas 2019, and by March 2020 I realised that I had most, if not all, of the symptoms of Covid 19. So I still question in my own mind how you can be so certain that you never had it - when did you start testing for it?

confusedgirlie · 07/09/2022 21:12

TreeHouse8 · 07/09/2022 21:09

@Overthebow

Expert groups like independent sage were very clear that we should have been in full lockdown last winter.

Tens of thousands of lives would have been saved and hundreds if thousands fewer would now have long covid if we had followed the science rather than the far right covid deniers.

Oh Susan mitchie the communist lover you sound ridiculous op

Luredbyapomegranate · 07/09/2022 21:13

The vaccines and the anti-viral treatments (plus a lot more knowledge of how to treat) have reduced the mortality and severe illness rate sufficiently that there is no reason to think the NHS will be overwhelmed by Covid.

However the NHS is collapsing under the weight of delayed treatments, the economy is on its fucking knees, we now have to carry the cost of energy bill caps (quite right but yet another weight), so no, of course there are no more Covid measures because that would be crazy.

Catch the news. There’s lots of it, and much else to be worried about.

confusedgirlie · 07/09/2022 21:13

@TooMuchToDoTooLittleInclination pardon?

HouseOfGuineas · 07/09/2022 21:13

You’re being ridiculous now OP. Even if SAGE models were correct about lockdown saving lives, everyone acknowledges they are one-dimensional ie. they fail to account for the broader economic and therefore health costs of doing so.

Ncvisitor · 07/09/2022 21:13

Nanny?

vodkaredbullgirl · 07/09/2022 21:13

TheLadyofShalott1 · 07/09/2022 21:10

I am just being pedantic @vodkaredbullgirl it is of no consequence to me, except that I am glad that you haven't suffered from it.

However I am still a pedant, and so I will say that I had an awful cold/flu just before Christmas 2019, and by March 2020 I realised that I had most, if not all, of the symptoms of Covid 19. So I still question in my own mind how you can be so certain that you never had it - when did you start testing for it?

I'm anti social, so probably missed me Grin

Sporty2022 · 07/09/2022 21:14

I’d imagine more people will die from poverty this winter than covid. Most people who die from covid have something else, they just have a positive result.

Because of the covid restrictions we’re financially fucked for decades that will
be payed for by generations to come. And now in even more debt to pay everyone’s energy bills for the next 18 months.

Covid will be around forever, what’s the point in social distancing and wearing masks now? You crack on if you want to.

Im more worried about putting food on the table for my kids and keeping them warm this winter.

mondaytosunday · 07/09/2022 21:15

Well no one died from covid week of August 26 (CSSE) so not sure where you get the idea of '100s'. That's a different statistic to those who died with covid, as opposed to from covid.
Anyway, boosters as mentioned above.
I know quite a few, vaccinated, people who've had in in the last few months and the symptoms range from mild to flu like. None hospitalised.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 07/09/2022 21:16

Thousands of people die from flu every year. What do you propose for them?

Topgub · 07/09/2022 21:16

Lol.

The nhs isn't coping right now.

And none of the restrictions you've listed will help.

DillDanding · 07/09/2022 21:16

Er, no.

I don’t think there will be any measures and tbh, most people wouldn’t follow them, me included.

Angelswithflirtyfaces · 07/09/2022 21:16

96% of people in England have antibodies, people still remember the piss ups in no.10 Downing st.
No one will stick to draconian rules or risk their income as we head for recession to keep doing useless restrictions.
It sucks I had long covid too, but enough is enough.

Topgub · 07/09/2022 21:20

Christ.

As if anyone cares what nonsense sage spouts.

Their covid only focus has caused untold harm and instead of protecting the nhs has contributed to its destruction

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lljkk · 07/09/2022 21:24

Care home staff didn't get routine testing until May/June 2020. Big window before then when DH staff were not yet routinely tested so their infections went undetected.

rwalker · 07/09/2022 21:26

I genuinely think some people are disappointed we’ve turned a corner with covid

RooRem2 · 07/09/2022 21:26

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