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Breaking news: Liz Truss is the next PM

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ErmagerdtheQuern · 05/09/2022 12:44

God help us all.

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vera99 · 06/09/2022 18:40

@UnnecessaryFennel so true a barrister at the very top of his game - laying traps plenty in to which she will duly fall with a party behind her most of whom didn't want her and have regicidal blood coursing through their veins.

Breaking news: Liz Truss is the next PM
carefullycourageous · 06/09/2022 18:42

I loved perspiration nation Grin

Sporty2022 · 06/09/2022 18:43

How though, do you invest in public services and cut taxes? I’m no economic expert but that throws me..

vera99 · 06/09/2022 18:44

In the dead of night, they broke into Jeremey's allotment and nicked his magic money tree.

Sporty2022 · 06/09/2022 18:46

So far, the Tories have cut 20000 police officer jobs. About 8000 prison service jobs.
The NHS is atleast 100000 understaffed.

Truss has been in government since 2010 , when the cuts started…

TheEggChair · 06/09/2022 18:46

Sporty2022 · 06/09/2022 18:43

How though, do you invest in public services and cut taxes? I’m no economic expert but that throws me..

Exactly this is what I don't understand, Truss wants to cut taxes which bring money into the economy. Then she wants to borrow the money to grow the economy. Why would she want to put us into more debt when existing taxes bring much needed cash into the coffers? Am I missing something here, I'm not an economist but it seems mad.

Sporty2022 · 06/09/2022 18:49

Watch out public sector agencies.. they’re coming for you.

Privatisation, Privatisation!

the80sweregreat · 06/09/2022 18:51

It's a bonkers policy. It doesn't make sense in any shape or form.
Phillip Hammond said it the other day. They know it won't work , but she is all we have and the energy crisis needs to be sorted out. Soon.
I doubt this will be in everyone's interest either , only the shareholders.

Sporty2022 · 06/09/2022 18:52

TheEggChair · 06/09/2022 18:46

Exactly this is what I don't understand, Truss wants to cut taxes which bring money into the economy. Then she wants to borrow the money to grow the economy. Why would she want to put us into more debt when existing taxes bring much needed cash into the coffers? Am I missing something here, I'm not an economist but it seems mad.

Also , Truss doesn’t want to tax the energy companies, but instead borrow money to pay the energy companies…
She’s against windfall taxes, then again she’s an ex Shell employee .

vera99 · 06/09/2022 18:53

I spend too much time on here but is it my imagination that the premier division got all their ducks in a row Tory bots do roughly 9 -5? Just an idle thought.

Wheelyweddingwipedout · 06/09/2022 19:00

TheEggChair · 06/09/2022 18:46

Exactly this is what I don't understand, Truss wants to cut taxes which bring money into the economy. Then she wants to borrow the money to grow the economy. Why would she want to put us into more debt when existing taxes bring much needed cash into the coffers? Am I missing something here, I'm not an economist but it seems mad.

she will sell off the NHS and it will be privatised. That will bring in billions and will make the Tory faithful happy.

For the rest of us, it won’t be such a happy outcome. Just imagine what life will be like without the NHS ……….

derxa · 06/09/2022 19:40

Wheelyweddingwipedout · 06/09/2022 19:00

she will sell off the NHS and it will be privatised. That will bring in billions and will make the Tory faithful happy.

For the rest of us, it won’t be such a happy outcome. Just imagine what life will be like without the NHS ……….

I don't agree with privatisation but my God I had the day from hell yesterday at hospital. So many cock ups and lack of joined up thinking. You have to have very sharp elbows and a loud voice to get a decent service.

carefullycourageous · 06/09/2022 19:43

derxa · 06/09/2022 19:40

I don't agree with privatisation but my God I had the day from hell yesterday at hospital. So many cock ups and lack of joined up thinking. You have to have very sharp elbows and a loud voice to get a decent service.

There are 100,000 staff vacancies, a massive backlog, social care bed blocking and it is being systematically starved of funds.

You can't run any organisation on fresh air. privatisation will make it worse, not better. please don't fall for the Tory bullshit.

UnnecessaryFennel · 06/09/2022 19:53

There are 100,000 staff vacancies, a massive backlog, social care bed blocking and it is being systematically starved of funds

Yup.

Weird that that £350 million for the NHS that @derxa voted for has never materialised, eh?

derxa · 06/09/2022 19:58

UnnecessaryFennel · 06/09/2022 19:53

There are 100,000 staff vacancies, a massive backlog, social care bed blocking and it is being systematically starved of funds

Yup.

Weird that that £350 million for the NHS that @derxa voted for has never materialised, eh?

I didn't vote for Brexit. I'm not talking about people rushed off their feet. Just plain inefficiency.

Sporty2022 · 06/09/2022 19:59

So if we did contribute £350 million a week to the EU, where’s that money now ?

vera99 · 06/09/2022 19:59

Let's not forget Brexit as well - which poisons everything it touches despite being 'done'.

www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/media/what-impact-have-five-years-of-brexit-had-on-health-and-care-in-the-uk

This is what was 'promised' - the greatest economic act of self-harm in history. Utterly disgusting video ins so many ways.

Cornettoninja · 06/09/2022 20:04

So if we did contribute £350 million a week to the EU, where’s that money now ?

filling the hole the £36.5 billion it cost to leave the EU.

Sporty2022 · 06/09/2022 20:04

Braverman and Coffey have too cabinet jobs… god help us all.
Home secretary and the NHS.

derxa · 06/09/2022 20:07

Cornettoninja · 06/09/2022 20:04

So if we did contribute £350 million a week to the EU, where’s that money now ?

filling the hole the £36.5 billion it cost to leave the EU.

Probably

Sporty2022 · 06/09/2022 20:09

I have first hand experience of how understaffed our prisons are.

Every police officer I have encountered through different means have said the job has changed a lot in the last 10 years , and for the worse.

I spent 6 hours in A and E recently and there were people who had been there longer.

This is what 12 years of the Tories have done and some people want more of it 🤷‍♂️

carefullycourageous · 06/09/2022 20:19

derxa · 06/09/2022 19:58

I didn't vote for Brexit. I'm not talking about people rushed off their feet. Just plain inefficiency.

It is people being rushed off their feet that causes inefficiency AND makes it impossible to address.

No business runs the way the NHS is being asked to run - they employ the people they need and once efficiencies are in place they reduce staff.

It is fucking mental to think you could instigate an efficiency programme from a starting point of 100,000 staff shortages.

vera99 · 06/09/2022 20:22

I may not always agree with ex-Ambassador Craig Murray but he still has contacts in the heart of government and his hot take are always interesting.

www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2022/09/caught-in-a-cycle-of-despair-and-exploitation/

Truss’s conversion to action on energy prices is not motivated by a sudden concern for poverty or the needs of ordinary people. I learnt of it on Sunday night, before her U turn was briefed, from senior Foreign Office (FCDO) sources. Government polling has indicated a substantial fall in public support for NATO’s proxy war in Ukraine, due to unsustainable energy prices at home.

This is rather comforting as it shows the public are not daft and understand cause and effect, even when the media try to hide it.
Liz Truss’s motivation for an energy price freeze is therefore to maintain public support for fueling the Ukraine War, the overwhelming neoliberal priority. After losing the proxy war in Syria, defeat again by Russia in Ukraine is the gun barrel down which NATO is currently staring. Rather than a negotiated peace, yet more weapons and more brinkmanship are the preferred way forward.

Remember the huge increase in energy prices means incredible profits for the energy companies. Their costs have not increased. The price hike is caused purely by competition from Russia being restricted by the war. This is war profiteering.

83DanishMum · 06/09/2022 20:55

Therese Coffey our new Health Minister is anti-abortion apparently.

carefullycourageous · 06/09/2022 20:56

83DanishMum · 06/09/2022 20:55

Therese Coffey our new Health Minister is anti-abortion apparently.

Great. And against same-sex marriage.

So that's nice.

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