Breaking news: Liz Truss is the next PM

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God help us all.

Being a woman for a start. It seems to be impossible for a Labour woman to become PM

I think becoming PM as a woman means overcoming at least some adversity, but when advancing that argument about a Tory I wouldn't be bringing Labour into it personally. Because if the idea is that the Conservatives are so much more woman friendly, then there's less adversity...

I wonder how her parents must feel. A weird mixture of tremendous pride in their daughter's professional achievements and huge disappointment in the values that she has chosen to adopt, I imagine.

Don't be ridiculous

Disgust mainly

Her dad won’t speak to her so his feelings seem to be pretty unambivalent - deep shame would appear to be the main one.

'Disgust mainly'

Disgust that his daughter is PM?!

I know people of various political leanings I wouldn't be 'disgusted' in any of them, mildly puzzled yes.

How sad that a father isn't speaking to his daughter over her achievement. Pathetic.

Not pathetic. Totally understandable, it’s called having principles.

Go on then, tell us what was the relevance of Labour to the question of whether a woman who's Conservative PM has overcome adversity?

Oh really? I didn't know that her dad wasn't speaking to her.

I would be deeply ashamed too, in that scenario, but I don't think I could actually dd off because of it. It's purely hypothetical though, because dd couldn't possibly be the person who I know and love while espousing such awful values.

LT's parents must be wondering where on earth they went wrong.

It is pathetic. We can still have principles yet different political opinions. For a father not to speak to his daughter over it is just unfathomable.

Don't get me wrong if any of ours come decided they were Starmer fans or trans activists for example I'd be a bit disappointed but I certainly wouldn't disown them.

Let's park the Labour thing then. There have only been 3 women PMs in the entirety of our history.

It’s not “unfathomable”. If mine decided his future lay as a Tory MP I honestly wouldn’t want anything to do with him. And I’d be seriously wondering where the hell I’d gone wrong.

How very sad.

I would be wondering where I had gone wrong, certainly.

I don't think I could ever cut dd off though. My love for her is unconditional, I believe.

Impossible to say how we'd actually react in reality though. Like I say, dd would have to be a completely different person before she could go off and join the Tory party, so it's hard to imagine a scenario in which this could happen.

I wonder if her extreme right wing posturing is actually all some kind of delayed teenage rebellion. 🤔

I still think she got stuck in the teenage rebellion stage and this is her sticking it to the olds. It would explain why the speech sounded more like a school head girl speech than a serious politician.

The only personal quality Truss has demonstrated is her total lack of conviction and principle and her pursuit of her own benefit and ambition. That's how she's become Prime Minister.

Yes, there is definitely something of the school head girl about her. Maybe this is all her way of getting at her dad for some reason.

Let's hope that she finds a conscience somewhere along the way.

'would be wondering where I had gone wrong, certainly.'

Well I'd wonder that if our dc ended up drug dealing or mugging people but I'm not controlling so I allow ours to think for themselves and have their own thoughts and opinions regarding politics and current affairs.

Notice the ominous lightning thunderstorm coinciding with announcement of her becoming PM was like when her friend Boris Johnson was chosen as leader in 2019?

Deja Vu. Doesn’t inspire confidence.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4627627-to-notice-lightening-coinciding-with-liz-truss-might-be-an-omen-like-when

Yes, absolutely. Of course kids should be encouraged to think for themselves and to form their own political opinions.

However, most parents probably also aspire to pass on what they regard as basic values and morals to their kids. I presume that you understand this, given that you say you would feel that you had failed if your kids were dealing drugs or mugging people.

For me, it's just an extension of that. If dd espoused political views that I considered to be lacking in basic morality/human decency - which I think Truss does - then obviously I would feel that I had failed to raise her as a decent human being with sound values.

@Sugerfree

Truss is set to launch a £100 billion price freeze for two years, which, on top of much higher planed spending on health and defence, caused by inflation we will have unsustainable borrowing, hence £ falling.. even against the euro, where interest rates are atm far lower than in the UK.

Its a crazy policy and will do nothing to reduce energy use and provides a massive subsidy to the wealthy.

Germany national debt 69% of GDP, UK 96%, France and Italy, much higher.

Unit costs for electricity don't matter if the Govt is providing support and in the case of most of Europe, they are not borrowing to subsidise consumers, they are taxing the totally unplanned profits of companies.

UK inflation is well over 10%, Eurozone isn't a country, so take inflation of the 3 comparable european economies - France 5.8% Germany 7.9% and Italy 8.4% so you are way out on your inflation figures.

France and Italy have actually seen falls in inflation.

Low productivity is why we are in a mess, the economy just doesn't grow, low wages and low investment.

If dd espoused political views that I considered to be lacking in basic morality/human decency - which I think Truss does - then obviously I would feel that I had failed to raise her as a decent human being with sound values

That’s how I feel too. I’d also wonder if my son had been abducted by aliens!

'For me, it's just an extension of that. If dd espoused political views that I considered to be lacking in basic morality/human decency - which I think Truss does - then obviously I would feel that I had failed to raise her as a decent human being with sound values.'

Well I'd feel sorry for anyone with such unreasonable and bizarrely judgemental parents.

Looks like Rees-Mogg really will get the business secretary job, in case you were in any doubt what a shit-show this cabinet would be. Apparently Badenoch and Mordaunt have turned down transport because they believe they deserve better.