Breaking news: Liz Truss is the next PM

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God help us all.

Possibly not all. But take a look at countries such as Belgium, Italy and Spain.

There is a massive turnover of political parties which get continuously broken down so the gov't always a messy, weak-kneed coalition. At best this gives a gov' where all parties have a ready excuse for not doing what they promised (the others won't let us...). At worst there is no gov't at all.

Belgium and Spain have both suffered from years in which there was no coherent gov't. Italy spends more time being run by appointed technicians than politicians.

A switch to a PR system for us here would inevitably entail something akin to the Italian system. A system which the Italians themselves voted to eliminate in a ref'. But the politicians ignored the ref' result because PR is very convenient for party politicians, not the electorate.

Changing to something that might remotely work (not that I'm saying it would be better), such as the French or German system, would require a massive reform of the whole political system.

If you had been raped, you'd understand just how vital safe spaces for women and essential services for women, are. Safety and mental health are important to women's participation in society. I think you will be about to see the affect of that, in action.

So this is the third new prime minister in 6 years. I’m taking bets on Truss lasting until June. Truss though 😂😂😂😂😂😂

I do understand. None of that has anything to do with “knowing what a woman is”.

Corbyn dialogue with Sinn Fein who were elected representatives and never explicitly supported a shooting war.

Are you claiming Gerry Adams [ the main target of Corbyn's grovelling] wasn't an IRA member?

On whose authority was Corbyn carrying out "dialogue with Sinn Fein"?

Also, he never had "dialogue with" any Unionists did he, or have I missed something?

To be replaced by Suella Braverman. 😭😭

I was a member of Troops Out and went to hear Gerry Adams, Ken Livingstone, Danny Morrison and others in Kilburn and other places in the late 70s. I don't want to derail the thread but let's not forget Bloody Sunday, the frame-ups by the state of the Guildford 4 and Birmingham 6 and many others issues. Opening a dialogue with elected representatives was revolutionary at the time and indeed in time was the way that the British state went under John Major initially but Blair took all the glory. You brought Corbyn up - move on he's gone expelled by Sir Keir from the Labour Party - but as to the point I brought up about Johnson's ennoblement of Fox silence. Noted.

Finally, let's not forget that this Brexit government is the one threatening that process and that Sinn Fein is the majority party in NI - as much due to this hardline UKIP Tory government ploughing on regardless and impervious to the damage they cause. I don't need reminding of who the real traitors are and where the blame lies.

This thread is about Liz Truss. Liz fucking Truss - not Jeremy Corbyn.

Yet most european countries seem to mange far better with PR and coalitions, they are coping with the energy crisis better, have lower inflation, less issues with job skills and far higher productivity rates.It always strikes me as rather odd that we have good people with good ideas across all our parties, but they never see the light of day.Yes there is the danger of tiny fringe parties BUT they have to rein back in their views or they wont get a sniff.

Yes I agree with this. I said on the other thread that I'd be happy with a collation led by Starmer including Lib Dems and the greens (currently only Caroline Lucas MP but someone who, with her experience should absolutely sit at any cabinet table during this time of climate crisis).

Also contrary to the Daily Fails lies as the polls stand Starmer would NOT need to do a deal with SNP- they could be kept out if it.

So an ABC coalition of anyone but Tory lead by adults. As you say, it's the kind of thing they do really well in European countries and I think the only reason the 2010 Coalition government failed was down to the involvement of the "nasty party" Tories who seemed to approach it as an exercise to destroy the Lib Dems rather than in the spirit of collaboration.

Also contrary to the Daily Fails lies as the polls stand Starmer would NOT need to do a deal with SNP- they could be kept out if it. Tee hee

All this gaslighting that European PR is shit, is just that shit. I never see it when we go on extensive travels in Europe indeed the exact opposite. The Tories know if PR comes they will never win again and we can have coalitions of progressive centrist ideas and policies. I'll stop hating you then might even have some pity as you relive your past glories behind fading twitching Laura Ashley curtains.

Posters who suggest trans rights will have a material effect on election chances during a cost living crisis are just adorable.

If we had PR and the end of the Tories as a party of government the SNP would have their fox well and truly shot - the Tories are THE enemies of the Union rather than the Cosnertvaie and Unionist Party they would be better called the Little England Party. Give her a chance, no fucking way we must destroy them and build coalitions of the willing and out of the ruins we can build a new Jerusalem.

It might almost be worth it just for that.

@CatsandFish
If you had been raped, you'd understand just how vital safe spaces for women and essential services for women, are. Safety and mental health are important to women's participation in society. I think you will be about to see the affect of that, in action

Yes totally, and after 12 years of the Tories and most of them with Truss in Govt, we haven't got these vital spaces, indeed, the Tories have removed many, not least domestic violence refuge's and even taxed panic rooms for the most vulnerable... but Truss knows what a woman is.. FGS.

I agree. It's a view held by many on MN, but frankly they're for the birds if they think it's a deciding issue for all but a small % of the electorate. All polling shows this.

the next GE will be all about the financial crisis.

the point I brought up about Johnson's ennoblement of Fox silence. I didn't respond to it because I see it as absurd whataboutery. But if I must, I'll say that as reprehensible as Fox's comments were, she said them once - to my knowledge. She was young and foolish at the time and at the very least she does, when confronted with the charge - tackles the charge head on and apologises for it, unlike Corbyn who still lies about his IRA support to this day. Here he is on radio Ulster in 2015 refusing 5 times to condemn the PIRA personally.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02z3x45

The problem that I and so many other people have with this line of argument is that at no point did Corbyn try "opening a dialogue with elected representatives" of any of the Unionist parties. He kowtowed to the IRA murderers [like a put upon schoolboy trying to join the bullies gang], as they were his favoured position.

Finally, let's not forget that this Brexit gov't is the one threatening that process.

First, off: there is no such thing as a "Brexit government". The Tory gov' had to be dragged kicking and screaming to deliver Brexit and it was only due to the Tory Party being in gov at the time of the ref', that the responsibility to deliver the decision became their responsibility.

Secondly: Your claim that the IRA are going to start murdering people again over petty bureaucracy is fantasy. As Gerry Adams, whose opinion still counts for a lot confirmed.

www.spiegel.de/international/europe/gerry-adams-a-1201660.html

This thread is about Liz Truss. Liz fucking Truss - not Jeremy Corbyn

You mean you need to have the last word? Sorry about that!

Let's move on, as your heroine said in her inspiring speech this morning Boris got Brexit Done and slayed the Corbyn dragon so all is good in this garden of earthly delights. Now we must Deliver, Deliver, Deliver - indeed if it wasn't for that beastly remained plot he would still be in No 10 fixing stuff and spared us this wasted summer.

Coping with the energy crisis better Really? Seems to me no one nation is exactly excelling at the moment. "The French problem is spilling over into the rest of Europe, including the UK. EDF, long a source of national pride as well as low-cost electricity exports, is having to buy power to meet daily requirements".

Germany have hit 40p/Kwh and in France 50p/KWH
That's piling up government debt at a huge rate of knots and is unsustainable

www.washingtonpost.com/business/energy/paris-faces-an-evencolder-darker-winter-than-berlin/2022/07/29/6d2fe282-0efb-11ed-88e8-c58dc3dbaee2_story.html

have lower inflation. The last time I looked, Eurozone inflation s at 8.9%, and ours is at 8.8%, so not sure how you reached that conclusion.

far higher productivity rates. Our productivity is low but our employment is high and our unemployment is low. Which would you prefer ? Because they're related. If you have 2 people producing the same output as 1.5 people could produce, of course it reduces your productivity.

Let's move on. What a surprise!

She's like an amazon - she delivers.

Not enough eye rolls. People will be busy keeping their jobs, looking after their families, making a living. Anyone who has the time to spare spilling their anger out on the streets will be the same rentacrowd gluing themselves to the fast lane of the motorway and stopping people from getting to work or attending hospital appointments.

I suppose it would be a good way to keep warm, jumping around and having a hissy-fit.

One must learn from one's enemy and Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson was (is?) a master of deflection and obfuscation - since you are keen to see him back I know you will appreciate that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Why is it that die hard Tories always bring Jeremy Corbyn into these discussions?
If not, they criticise Europe or anyone or anything else that they can possibly think of.

It's a really desperate tactic when you have nothing good to say about your own party to turn the discussion around into criticising someone else. We have had 12 years or the Tories and look where we are.

Some people are so wedded to their hard right Tory dogma (Liz Truss is clearly one example of this) that they are absolutely blind to all the problems it has and is causing, unwilling to listen to other ideas from people with more knowledge and sense and utterly inflexible in their way of thinking.
It spells trouble, absolute trouble.

Jonathan Pie bang on the money

twitter.com/nytopinion/status/1566773151819653120

@daisychain01 wanna bet I was in Trafalgar Square in 1990 - it was all peaceful and I and my and friends went off to get a MacDonald's (really) after hearing Tony Benn speak to around 100k folk. Then it all kicked off and I was in a group outside the National Gallery that was charged by riot police wielding batons backed behind by horses who attacked what was a peaceful group. I saw pensioners with blood running down their heads and people trampled underfoot.

Last weekend I was at my sister's waiting outside a football ground near Blackpool chatting to security guards and they said there were only 5 coppers on duty on Saturday night in Preston. The Tories have hollowed out the state and are totally unprepared for what is coming down the line. Enough is Enough has 500,000 supporters already - interesting times we are cursed to be living in. There will be huge demonstrations that is a given.

Johnson had some sort of low feral cunning, but now we have a bona fide plate of thick mince to lead the nation, she must be up there with the dumbest world leaders in history and she's only just started.

That said, don't get the complaint about the "anti-democratic" nature of the process; our system is obviously not all that but it's always been a party elected to government and their leader in the top job. I suppose the mass media age has made it more presidential so feels like we should pick but it is working as designed.