Breaking news: Liz Truss is the next PM

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God help us all.

@Sugerfree
Closely followed by serving notice on the public sector - and end to non-jobs, woke values and waste

I think you’re projecting. Polls consistently show that it’s the big private sector service providers who ought to be getting nervous, not those publically owned.

non-jobs What do you mean by that? Falling asleep in the Commons while being paid a la Rees-Mogg, or something different?
woke values We don't all call opposing opinions "woke" to try and stifle them.
An end to the invasion of dinghy migrants on the south coast We don't all view other humans as annoyances to be shipped off somewhere else. I highly doubt the children on those dinghies risked their lives to get to the UK for fun. But I suppose using our taxes to fund numerous flights to Rwanda is a fantastic way to deal with it - it's not like the money is needed elsewhere, what financial crisis?!

This I find amusing after she spent many of her earlier years in politics fighting against having a monarchy!

An end to the invasion of dinghy migrants on the south coast

The current government isn’t doing very well with this. Even the shit it’s allowed to be discharged into the English Channel doesn’t seem to put them off.

I'm not so sure. I believe what people want is a freeze on energy price freeze. Scrapping of the net zero madness

Actually polling shows that the energy crisis has made people want to increase investment into renewables. It was one of these things Johnson correctly read the public mood on, if not the membership’s.

Nobody is bringing anyone anywhere, more people are being buried and having their graves danced on. ‘Levelling up’ is just a slogan, there’s no evidence of it anywhere.

Approx 17.5%. Which overwhelmingly vote for Labour. I see no reason to "revise" anything.

www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/publicsectorpersonnel/timeseries/db36/pse

You end up with a compromise that reflects the views of all voters rather than the current zero sum game. So no one party dominates unless they have received an overwhelming number of votes to validate their manifesto.

The Conservatives aren’t giving us a very good demonstration of being a party of coalitions right now, are they? In-fighting has distracted them for months and months. Labour spent years tussling between left and centre and alienating voters. Better really if factions in the big parties were able to splinter off and see whether people really wanted to support them, rather than offering us monolithic choices that don’t please many. How many posters on here now say they feel politically homeless because of where both the main parties currently sit?

Johnson will be back. Everyone will sigh with relief. Sic transit gloria mundi.

Agreed.

So almost 20% of the population and their views aren’t captured in ‘what people want’? What are they then?

I'd like to see some of the upper middle classes struggle a bit , yes
After all , the poor and working class had to suck up austerity for many years while they were all ok .
Taste of their own medicine might focus a few minds. Even if it's only moaning about 7k a year every bills , because nobody likes being mugged off regardless of their class pecking order..

The problem/mistake Labour has had post Blair is losing the votes of aspirational working class types/people on lowish salaries to the Tories. They don’t trust Labour to not over tax them etc.

What we’re seeing now in slow motion is the Tories losing huge chunks of aspirational lower middle class votes, who previously relied on the Tories to maintain reasonable public services AND to maintain a decent standard of living - and they are failing at both. Any amount of blather between now and 2024 won’t change that. England is always small c conservative, but the Tory Party hasn’t been that for a long time (though Cameron tricked many by pretending that he was).

Again I disagree. All parties are coalitions of different sorts. The inevitable and huge compromises required after elections when forming coalitions under PR make manifesto pledges no more than pantomime.

Under PR, there'd almost certainly be at least a few political Islamists with the sort of leverage which would terrify everyone else.

And does this happen in all the fully functioning democracies with PR? The ones who aren’t on their fourth Prime Minister in six years?

Election and government through PR isn’t a hypothetical where you can just make up what happens. It can result in deadlocks but so can FPTP. It can result in coalitions that struggle to agree, but so can FPTP.

Yet most european countries seem to mange far better with PR and coalitions, they are coping with the energy crisis better, have lower inflation, less issues with job skills and far higher productivity rates.

It always strikes me as rather odd that we have good people with good ideas across all our parties, but they never see the light of day.

Yes there is the danger of tiny fringe parties BUT they have to rein back in their views or they wont get a sniff.

Never had we had a PM who knows more about pork markets and foreign cheese

I assume you are happy to take their medicine through the majority of Income Tax they contribuite to the coffers though?

But excellent to see them fail, and their businesses, and their VAT, and their Corp tax, and their income tax.

One thing that never fails to amaze me is people's grasp of economics. Yes, you may want to see them fail, but they also pay for your childs schooling and your GP's in a disproportionate way.

Generous.

@Sugerfree assuming you're a Tory in Corbyn attack mode (apologies if you're not) then arch Brexiteer Claire Fox made a dame by Johnson in his shady deal with Farage for standing down against the Tories ex Revolutionary Communist Tendency along with the rest of the Spiked! mob supported the Republican armed struggle including the bombings with no apologies. Corbyn wanted dialogue with Sinn Fein who were elected representatives and never explicitly supported a shooting war.

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news-westminster-news-claire-fox-in-house-of-lords-1848416/

There is always going to be heating bills, have since the dawn of electricity and always will be there. We can't put human rights on hold for energy bills! Women's safety and human rights is not 'culture wars', and you must be quite privileged and sheltered if you think they are.

Please can the Tories who want to parrot "at least she knows what a woman is" politely take that attack line and shove it where the sun doesn't shine.

Thankyou.

???! - Yes, but heating bills have not previoulsy been 70% of someones monthly wage.

I think to say that someone worried that their children will be warm this winter, in a developed nation in the year 2022 is sheltered or privileged, is a bit odd.

Au contraire @CatsandFish, you must be very privileged if you think gender wars - which aren’t human rights - will take precedence when people can’t heat their houses, feed their kids or put petrol in their cars. You’ve obviously never heard of Maslow’s hierarchy of needs - you’re about to see it in action.

Indeed.

The tory party has just had a PM who could not hate women more if he tried and a cabinet full of mysoginistic twats.

They, of all people, do not get to claim to be the champions of women's rights.