Page 21 | Breaking news: Liz Truss is the next PM

Alexandra2001 · 05/09/2022 17:44

PlanetNormal · 05/09/2022 17:34

The best thing about Truss becoming the third woman PM (not to mention Kwarteng succeeding Sunak as Chancellor and Braverman succeeding Patel as Home Secretary) is that it exposes the sanctimonious, patronising lefties who preach to the rest of us about diversity and equality as the hypocrites they are.

So mediocre people get into high powered jobs that they are no good at, based on the colour of their skin?
Was Sunak a great Chancellor or Patel an amazing Home secretary? Teressa May a powerful PM ? no.

Having said that, maybe Patel has some judgement, she has just resigned, wont even serve a day under Truss lol!

Labour do have far more women in parliament as MPs than the Tories, voted in by the electorate, purely on merit!

I certainly don't want anyone getting a top job just because they are female or Asian, merit should be the only decider.

PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior · 05/09/2022 17:45

Sugerfree · 05/09/2022 17:31

It's broken and I feel very depressed as I see no way of fixing it while it remains in the interests of the governing party to keep it that way

Presumably you were posting this kind of sentiments on here back when Blair/Brown were in their pomp?

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Yes, never mind whether you were a mother or even an adult at the time. Nobody should be saying anything here if they weren't on MN when Labour won back in 05, and I don't want to hear any I was quite busy with my homework and netball practice nonsense from any of you. Also even if you were an adult you cannot have an opinion on anything if you didn't also espouse it a couple of decades ago.

antelopevalley · 05/09/2022 17:45

My major concern is energy bills. Far more important than culture wars over "who a woman is". I really do not bloody care.
What I care about is whether my kids are going to spend this Winter Freezing or I can put the heating on.

carefullycourageous · 05/09/2022 17:45

Applesonthelawn · 05/09/2022 17:35

I think now that it's decided, people should give her a chance and see whether she's up to it before slagging her off. It's a hideous job and it takes a particular ;mindset to want to do it, but she does, and she was voted in, so let's not dismiss her just yet.

If she'd been voted in by the electorate I'd agree, but it was 81,000 Tory members, and they do not represent me, so I feel no sense of obligation to give her a chance. She's been foisted on us, it's her job to prove herself.

carefullycourageous · 05/09/2022 17:46

antelopevalley · 05/09/2022 17:45

My major concern is energy bills. Far more important than culture wars over "who a woman is". I really do not bloody care.
What I care about is whether my kids are going to spend this Winter Freezing or I can put the heating on.

Polling shows the electorate agree with you - top issue at 74% is cost of living.

Livinginanotherworld · 05/09/2022 17:47

Culldesack · 05/09/2022 16:00

So much female solidarity from the feminists 🤔

I don’t care whether she is female, male or a bloody hyena, she’s still a danger to the country !!

HarleySq · 05/09/2022 17:47

How do these people get to the top? She has always displayed a level of incompetence.

Maybe she is too dim to see what she has taken on, maybe her fellow Tory MP’s recognise that being the PM currently is a no win, they are just happy that someone else is going to carry the can.

On the positive, I can't wait to see her in parliament when KS is questioning and challenging her. I'll be tuning in for some good viewing.

Blossomtoes · 05/09/2022 17:48

theworldhas · 05/09/2022 17:43

Therein lies the problem for Labour in my opinion, who won't even define what a woman is.

As much as desperate Tories would love to make some kind of faux nationalist culture wars the battleground issues in 2024 (as having failed on every issue of substance that’s all that is left) the reality is that the vast, vast majority of voters will probably care a lot more about:

keeping a roof over their head
cost of food
decent pay
heating
the NHS
schools

… than they will about which MP said what and when in the trans debate, and which nutty speaker got their appearance cancelled at some university, and which 18th century figures’s statue was thrown into some river.

Exactly that. Anyone who thinks “knowing what a woman is” will have any political relevance by next spring has obviously never heard the adage “It’s the economy, stupid”. Most of the population don’t give a shit about gender politics now, give them a cold, broke winter and even fewer will care.

PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior · 05/09/2022 17:48

carefullycourageous · 05/09/2022 17:45

If she'd been voted in by the electorate I'd agree, but it was 81,000 Tory members, and they do not represent me, so I feel no sense of obligation to give her a chance. She's been foisted on us, it's her job to prove herself.

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Which is the problem with the system we have really. At least the MPs choosing the leader, while also not ideal, would mean the selection lay with people who had been elected and had to undergo some kind of accountability process. As things stand, there's simply no reason why a few thousand members of a political party are entitled to any respect for their choices from the rest of us.

derxa · 05/09/2022 17:49

So much bitter whining

theworldhas · 05/09/2022 17:49

Agree about PR. The Lib Dems made the biggest mistake in their history by not demanding PR in order to govern with the Tories. If the Tories insisted on a vote, the only one the Lib Dems should have entertained should have been what kind of PR we would have. The Lib Dems could have made history OR spared us a Tory government.

Instead they had a couple of years of meaningless power and now probanlh century of irrelevance.

Sunnyqueen · 05/09/2022 17:49

And when she freezes our energy at 2k a year everyone will truly believe she's the best thing since sliced bread ffs.

antelopevalley · 05/09/2022 17:49

And the idea that because I am a feminist I should automatically support a woman Prime Minister is just stupid.
Feminism means a woman can become a Prime Minister. Common sense means I will be critical of any politician I disagree with no matter who they are.

PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior · 05/09/2022 17:50

theworldhas · 05/09/2022 17:49

Agree about PR. The Lib Dems made the biggest mistake in their history by not demanding PR in order to govern with the Tories. If the Tories insisted on a vote, the only one the Lib Dems should have entertained should have been what kind of PR we would have. The Lib Dems could have made history OR spared us a Tory government.

Instead they had a couple of years of meaningless power and now probanlh century of irrelevance.

Absolutely. What possessed them to agree AV is beyond me. It's shit, and I am far from the only person who wants electoral reform but didn't vote for it.

theworldhas · 05/09/2022 17:50

@derxa
of course people are bitter and whining. The Tories are making huge segments of the population worse off than they’ve ever been, while also decimating public services.

Loics · 05/09/2022 17:52

derxa · 05/09/2022 17:49

So much bitter whining

Yes, how dare anyone disagree with the Tories! It must mean we're all super duper jealous.

fromdownwest · 05/09/2022 17:53

Doubleraspberry · 05/09/2022 17:44

Well, I wasn't on Mumsnet back then. But I've been campaigning for PR for 25 years so had I been, yes, I would have been. I was cheering on Roy Jenkins back in the day.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenkins_Commission_(UK)

Throughout my whole lifetime, an individual vote has been worthless if you don't live in a marginal constituency. That's wrong, and where we are now - a disengaged electorate with no faith that politicians will act in their interest - was predictable, and it's not new either. Imagine a political scene where people feel they can elect politicians that actually reflect their views. PR would have meant having elected UKIP members, whose views and policies could have been tested. PR would mean that the hundreds of thousands of people who want to vote Green would have that option in a meaningful way.

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Maybe we could then break out of the perpetual doom and gloom of a Welsh Labour / Plaid government!

83DanishMum · 05/09/2022 17:54

Let's hope he is out of the cabinet, along with Priti Patel, Jacob Rees-Mogg and Suella Braverman.

Oh dear.....

Alexandra2001 · 05/09/2022 17:55

derxa · 05/09/2022 17:49

So much bitter whining

She is another nail in the coffin of the union, so no wonder you re so pleased? or aren't you....

Sugerfree · 05/09/2022 17:56

theworldhas · 05/09/2022 17:43

Therein lies the problem for Labour in my opinion, who won't even define what a woman is.

As much as desperate Tories would love to make some kind of faux nationalist culture wars the battleground issues in 2024 (as having failed on every issue of substance that’s all that is left) the reality is that the vast, vast majority of voters will probably care a lot more about:

keeping a roof over their head
cost of food
decent pay
heating
the NHS
schools

… than they will about which MP said what and when in the trans debate, and which nutty speaker got their appearance cancelled at some university, and which 18th century figures’s statue was thrown into some river.

I'm not so sure. I believe what people want is a freeze on energy price freeze. Scrapping of the net zero madness. A sea-change for the NHS - no more bottomless pit. Closely followed by serving notice on the public sector - and end to non-jobs, woke values and waste. An end to the invasion of dinghy migrants on the south coast.

I don't trust either of them particularly, but do you think the majority of British people trust Labour to deliver on any of that more than the Tory's?

Thisismynamenow · 05/09/2022 17:56

the80sweregreat · 05/09/2022 13:23

Her speech was cringe central.
Two years of listening to this
Wes Streeting is speaking sense now on tv
LT is talking absolute bull shit
The middle classes will also suffer too, maybe they might now feel what it's like to struggle a bit , the only up side maybe ?
Who knows

would you rather drag the middle classes down and see them struggle than bring the working classes up and see them thrive?

Why the race to the bottom?

derxa · 05/09/2022 17:57

Alexandra2001 · 05/09/2022 17:55

She is another nail in the coffin of the union, so no wonder you re so pleased? or aren't you....

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She'll never give Nicola her referendum so I'm delighted

Doubleraspberry · 05/09/2022 18:00

Sugerfree · 05/09/2022 17:56

I'm not so sure. I believe what people want is a freeze on energy price freeze. Scrapping of the net zero madness. A sea-change for the NHS - no more bottomless pit. Closely followed by serving notice on the public sector - and end to non-jobs, woke values and waste. An end to the invasion of dinghy migrants on the south coast.

I don't trust either of them particularly, but do you think the majority of British people trust Labour to deliver on any of that more than the Tory's?

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Quite a lot of the population actually are the public sector of course, and 100% of them rely on its work every single day, so you might want to revise that statement a bit.

Sugerfree · 05/09/2022 18:04

Doubleraspberry · 05/09/2022 17:44

Well, I wasn't on Mumsnet back then. But I've been campaigning for PR for 25 years so had I been, yes, I would have been. I was cheering on Roy Jenkins back in the day.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenkins_Commission_(UK)

Throughout my whole lifetime, an individual vote has been worthless if you don't live in a marginal constituency. That's wrong, and where we are now - a disengaged electorate with no faith that politicians will act in their interest - was predictable, and it's not new either. Imagine a political scene where people feel they can elect politicians that actually reflect their views. PR would have meant having elected UKIP members, whose views and policies could have been tested. PR would mean that the hundreds of thousands of people who want to vote Green would have that option in a meaningful way.

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I completely disagree with you on the matter of PR. That it's somehow more democratic. The thing I think a lot of people don't understand about FPTP and the two main parties, is that the parties are themselves coalitions of different interests. Between the interests, they need to have a coherent platform, and they need one and-to sort out their differences before the election and not after. It's crude and it's flawed, but in effect the Conservative party is no more than a coalition that has to manoeuvre in the direction of getting elected. Labour in recent GE's shows what happens if you don't do this.

With PR, each party can advocate pure unsullied policies that others don't agree with. If they get into power, they need to compromise, as Clegg did. So you don't get what you thought you were voting for at all. You get something that emerges after you vote.

ddl1 · 05/09/2022 18:05

Well, every cloud has a silver lining: Priti Patel has resigned!