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Breaking news: Liz Truss is the next PM

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ErmagerdtheQuern · 05/09/2022 12:44

God help us all.

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Doubleraspberry · 05/09/2022 17:20

@carefullycourageous it was a big chance wasted - and he was in a strong enough position that he could have got more.

the80sweregreat · 05/09/2022 17:22

Cameron threw them a bone there for the AV vote. He knew it would crash and burn!
Kept Clegg happy for five minutes

fromdownwest · 05/09/2022 17:22

StoneofDestiny · 05/09/2022 17:19

Truss brings to office no mandate from any national electorate. She was chosen neither by her fellow MPs nor by Tory voters, who variously preferred her rival, Rishi Sunak, or for Johnson to stay in office. In the end, her supporters numbered 81,326 among the Tory party membership, a group which is majority elderly, well off and living in the south-east of England. She has come through an attenuated leadership campaign with little credit to her name beyond stamina. She has been gauche and lightweight in debate. Her policies have seemed implausible, stitched together with cliches
The Guardian

The same newspaper that blows the trumpet of our Welsh, unelected leader, from a devolved parliment on a 35% turnout rate.

He is a lunatic Marxist, so that is ok though.

Sugerfree · 05/09/2022 17:23

carefullycourageous · 05/09/2022 17:14

Duration today had a 10pt labour lead with a 17pt lead when Starmer/Truss were named rather than just by party. This felt promising.

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Mrs Thatcher won landslide after landslide, almost all of which followed terrible midterm polls and often indifferent local election results. What people claim they'll do and what they'll actually do come polling day, are two different things.

I'm no Blair fan but he was quite right when he said ""A gov't between elections is measured against perfection, come an election, its measured against the alternative". Therein lies the problem for Labour in my opinion, who won't even define what a woman is.

When the Tories act like actual Tories they win big-time. We've seen this time and again.

SleeplessInEngland · 05/09/2022 17:24

Sugerfree · 05/09/2022 17:17

No. Lord Frost, Braverman, Badenoch are all actual conservatives.

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If you’re impressed by Frost and Braverman then I can see why Truss must seem like a political titan.

Antarcticant · 05/09/2022 17:26

On a lighter note, it's good to know Liz's actual first name is 'Mary' meaning that we haven't broken the pattern of our female prime ministers having the initials 'M' and 'T'.

Sugerfree · 05/09/2022 17:28

fromdownwest · 05/09/2022 17:22

The same newspaper that blows the trumpet of our Welsh, unelected leader, from a devolved parliment on a 35% turnout rate.

He is a lunatic Marxist, so that is ok though.

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Or Sturgeons lot that took 45% of the vote on a turnout of 68%. Which roughly translates into 30% of voters in Scotland. Given there's abt a million Scots in the rest of the UK, mostly Unionists, it's likely that the SNP have the backing of about 1 in 4 Scots throughout the UK, & that is probably being generous.

That's ok though...

MissHavishamsMouldyOldCake · 05/09/2022 17:28

I’ve just read that her Head of Comms used to have a similar position working for Prince Andrew. What could go wrong…

Twillow · 05/09/2022 17:28

Gawd just watched the speech. It was like a parody:
The world's greatest political party. That's some bold rhetoric.

We will deliver, we will deliver, we will deliver? (followed by tumultous clapping at what turned out not to be the punchline, leaving Liz somewhat nonplussed, and if that's what happens during a pre-prepared script on home territory then heaven help her at PMQT)

"Boris got Brexit done" https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/08/collapsing-public-support-suggests-brexit-is-anything-but-done

Mentalblip · 05/09/2022 17:28

Antarcticant · 05/09/2022 17:26

On a lighter note, it's good to know Liz's actual first name is 'Mary' meaning that we haven't broken the pattern of our female prime ministers having the initials 'M' and 'T'.

How eerie

theworldhas · 05/09/2022 17:31

I think in two years time the disgraceful Cheese speech will still be her crowing glory (followed by the pork markets in Beijing).

Sugerfree · 05/09/2022 17:31

Doubleraspberry · 05/09/2022 16:48

Our political system is destroying us, basically. FPTP means the majority of voters are disenfranchised every time they vote. The UK consistently votes for left of centre parties over right wing ones but the distribution of votes, and the split across options, means that the Conservatives have now been in Government for most of the last 50 years. Fewer and fewer people engage as a result, as they (rightly) see how little value their votes have. And a vicious circle develops as our government doesn't produce policies that meet the needs of the disengaged.

It's broken and I feel very depressed as I see no way of fixing it while it remains in the interests of the governing party to keep it that way. The boundary changes to be implemented at the next election only reinforce the electoral advantage of the Conservative party.

So for the many misinformed posters who think the majority of the public votes Conservatives, please do some reading, and consider where ultimately this current winning formula for the party in power may be taking democracy in the future.

It's broken and I feel very depressed as I see no way of fixing it while it remains in the interests of the governing party to keep it that way

Presumably you were posting this kind of sentiments on here back when Blair/Brown were in their pomp?

SleeplessInEngland · 05/09/2022 17:32

YouGov snap poll:

How pleased are you that Liz Truss is the next PM

22% pleased
50% disappointed

Confidence in her cost of living policies?

19% confident
67% not confident

YouGov all adults

Blossomtoes · 05/09/2022 17:32

MissHavishamsMouldyOldCake · 05/09/2022 17:28

I’ve just read that her Head of Comms used to have a similar position working for Prince Andrew. What could go wrong…

Oh, how I hope this is true.

PlanetNormal · 05/09/2022 17:34

The best thing about Truss becoming the third woman PM (not to mention Kwarteng succeeding Sunak as Chancellor and Braverman succeeding Patel as Home Secretary) is that it exposes the sanctimonious, patronising lefties who preach to the rest of us about diversity and equality as the hypocrites they are.

Applesonthelawn · 05/09/2022 17:35

I think now that it's decided, people should give her a chance and see whether she's up to it before slagging her off. It's a hideous job and it takes a particular ;mindset to want to do it, but she does, and she was voted in, so let's not dismiss her just yet.

Sugerfree · 05/09/2022 17:36

PlanetNormal · 05/09/2022 17:34

The best thing about Truss becoming the third woman PM (not to mention Kwarteng succeeding Sunak as Chancellor and Braverman succeeding Patel as Home Secretary) is that it exposes the sanctimonious, patronising lefties who preach to the rest of us about diversity and equality as the hypocrites they are.

Not at all, they've internalised racism that's all.

SleeplessInEngland · 05/09/2022 17:36

PlanetNormal · 05/09/2022 17:34

The best thing about Truss becoming the third woman PM (not to mention Kwarteng succeeding Sunak as Chancellor and Braverman succeeding Patel as Home Secretary) is that it exposes the sanctimonious, patronising lefties who preach to the rest of us about diversity and equality as the hypocrites they are.

That’s the ‘best’ thing about it? Yikes. It’s worse than I thought.

Blossomtoes · 05/09/2022 17:37

PlanetNormal · 05/09/2022 17:34

The best thing about Truss becoming the third woman PM (not to mention Kwarteng succeeding Sunak as Chancellor and Braverman succeeding Patel as Home Secretary) is that it exposes the sanctimonious, patronising lefties who preach to the rest of us about diversity and equality as the hypocrites they are.

Really? How does it do that? One of the very few redeeming qualities of the Tory party is the diversity of its MPs, Johnson’s cabinet was pretty diverse too. I haven’t heard anyone of any political persuasion say anything different.

Loics · 05/09/2022 17:38

PlanetNormal · 05/09/2022 17:34

The best thing about Truss becoming the third woman PM (not to mention Kwarteng succeeding Sunak as Chancellor and Braverman succeeding Patel as Home Secretary) is that it exposes the sanctimonious, patronising lefties who preach to the rest of us about diversity and equality as the hypocrites they are.

It... doesn't, though. There is nothing hypocritical about it. Most decent people are all for equality and diversity, but someone being female, for example, doesn't mean they deserve support. Truss is a woman, yes, but she is incompetent. Many, many women in politics are competent, intelligent and capable of running the country. Truss is not among them. This is probably one of the worst attempts to bash people opposing the Tories on the entire thread.

swimlyn · 05/09/2022 17:42

I just love the way she speaks sooo slooowly to fill the time available. (avoiding questions)

Her speeches are always full of careful pauses to await the applause.

Another waster in power…

theworldhas · 05/09/2022 17:43

Therein lies the problem for Labour in my opinion, who won't even define what a woman is.

As much as desperate Tories would love to make some kind of faux nationalist culture wars the battleground issues in 2024 (as having failed on every issue of substance that’s all that is left) the reality is that the vast, vast majority of voters will probably care a lot more about:

keeping a roof over their head
cost of food
decent pay
heating
the NHS
schools

… than they will about which MP said what and when in the trans debate, and which nutty speaker got their appearance cancelled at some university, and which 18th century figures’s statue was thrown into some river.

Thisismynamenow · 05/09/2022 17:44

Afterfire · 05/09/2022 13:03

At least she could have danced onto the stage and we could have laughed about it.

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@Afterfire you've just made my very depressive day much better 😂😂😂

Sugerfree · 05/09/2022 17:44

Blossomtoes · 05/09/2022 17:37

Really? How does it do that? One of the very few redeeming qualities of the Tory party is the diversity of its MPs, Johnson’s cabinet was pretty diverse too. I haven’t heard anyone of any political persuasion say anything different.

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I have, have a look at the fairly recent thread about Kemi Badenoch.

MotherOfRatios · 15/07/2022 17:14
"You can be a poc and have bad politics and internalised racism"

It seems to some leftists, back conservatives, don't appreciate who their true masters are anymore.

Doubleraspberry · 05/09/2022 17:44

Sugerfree · 05/09/2022 17:31

It's broken and I feel very depressed as I see no way of fixing it while it remains in the interests of the governing party to keep it that way

Presumably you were posting this kind of sentiments on here back when Blair/Brown were in their pomp?

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Well, I wasn't on Mumsnet back then. But I've been campaigning for PR for 25 years so had I been, yes, I would have been. I was cheering on Roy Jenkins back in the day.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenkins_Commission_(UK)

Throughout my whole lifetime, an individual vote has been worthless if you don't live in a marginal constituency. That's wrong, and where we are now - a disengaged electorate with no faith that politicians will act in their interest - was predictable, and it's not new either. Imagine a political scene where people feel they can elect politicians that actually reflect their views. PR would have meant having elected UKIP members, whose views and policies could have been tested. PR would mean that the hundreds of thousands of people who want to vote Green would have that option in a meaningful way.

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