Breaking news: Liz Truss is the next PM

[ErmagerdtheQuern]

God help us all.

Is is a possibility, that outside of the MN bubble, the horrific tories, are normal people. The constant berating, mocking and looking down, does nothing other than cement the view that labour is a party of the elite.

Ironically, many people I know from very working class backgrounds, see Labour voters as 'pompous pr*cks' living off mummy and daddies money.

I think the only way out of this, is for us to have a non binary option. It is not healthy, as we can see in the states.

Our political system is destroying us, basically. FPTP means the majority of voters are disenfranchised every time they vote. The UK consistently votes for left of centre parties over right wing ones but the distribution of votes, and the split across options, means that the Conservatives have now been in Government for most of the last 50 years. Fewer and fewer people engage as a result, as they (rightly) see how little value their votes have. And a vicious circle develops as our government doesn't produce policies that meet the needs of the disengaged.

It's broken and I feel very depressed as I see no way of fixing it while it remains in the interests of the governing party to keep it that way. The boundary changes to be implemented at the next election only reinforce the electoral advantage of the Conservative party.

So for the many misinformed posters who think the majority of the public votes Conservatives, please do some reading, and consider where ultimately this current winning formula for the party in power may be taking democracy in the future.

@Doubleraspberry

Well said, and echoed in my post above.

Yes because there was never any personal attacks on Jeremy Corbyn was there 🙄

Yep, although worth pointing out too that Labour as the largest left of centre party also do fairly well out of the electoral system and thus have never really been incentivised to change it. While FPTP doesn't benefit them as much as it does the Tories, it's still been more to their advantage than not.

But yes, it's clear there are increasing levels of disenfranchisement. More people declined to vote at all than voted Tory at the last GE, but we don't seem to hear much about that.

Do we have any concrete ideas for what her "bold plans" are?

If not, when will they be announced?

Nope - but best to write her off from day 1.

Oh yes, I totally agree. The Liberal Democrats have been pushing for electoral reform with no purchase from either of the big two over the years - they are both the big winners of FPTP although it may be that Labour begins to warm to it as their disadvantages grow with boundary changes. The AV Referendum the Lib Dems wrung out of the coalition was doomed; most voters had no idea what was going on, and it was a lukewarm version of PR in any case.

Speaking of poorly understood, the level of understanding some posters are requiring of average consumers into the energy markets is elitist in the extreme and isn't even foolproof. I could write a paper on electricity trading arrangements but moved house last year so am on a variable rate like many others. No system should rely on people forecasting the financial health of regulated utilities to safeguard vulnerable people.

The names I've heard linked to her Cabinet, sound promising.

I was watching her the other day and I wondered if she would, like Johnson, offer the global elite an apology for the industrial revolution? I concluded : I didn't think she would. We shall see how she does. I'm not getting my hopes up.

Poll conducted yesterday. Be interesting to see how it changes now Truss is confirmed.

“Labour leads by 12%, tied largest lead for Labour that we've recorded.

Westminster Voting Intention (4 Sept.):

Labour 43% (+1)
Conservative 31% (–)
Liberal Democrat 12% (–)
Green 6% (-1)
SNP 5% (+1)
Reform UK 3% (–)
Other 1% (-1)

Changes +/- 31 Aug.
RedfieldWilton”

Well during the campaign she suggested she'd -
Reverse NI increase (which was supposed to help pay for NHS back log and social care)
Cancel rise in corporation tax.
Suspend green levies on energy bills.
Continue Rwanda policy.

Well to be fair here, Jeremy did carry water for the PIRA murderers, back when they were slaughtering his fellow citizens -including small children and even unborn babies. Not to mention Hamas/Hezbollah with their Jew-genocide intent charters.

Not sure LT, as much as you may oppose her and her party's policies, is guilty of anywhere near the equivalent.

Our political system is destroying us, basically. FPTP means the majority of voters are disenfranchised every time they vote

we had a chance to get rid of it and 2/3 of those who voted said keep the status quo (pity they didn't do that with the Brexit vote too)

The names I've heard linked to her Cabinet, sound promising

are you being ironic? I saw JRM mooted for business secretary today!

1 - Will really help lots of small businesses still reeling from Covid
2 - As above, lots of small businesses are still really struggling. 19% to 25% is a big hit for lots of small businesses
3- Given the current issues, this may be a good thing. Take some pressure of peoples bills in the short term

3 of the 4 points are not overly shocking to me.

Therese Coffey as Health Secretary and Deputy PM. If true it means Therese's great talents are finally being recognised!

Duration today had a 10pt labour lead with a 17pt lead when Starmer/Truss were named rather than just by party. This felt promising.

AV was a shit option and I'll never forgive Clegg for agreeing to that option.

"All political careers end in failure". That gives me hope when an ineffective politician arrives. And yes, I know who said it.

For those asking why it's a bad thing - she's thick. Seriously thick. Depressingly thick. Thick as two short planks.

It's soul destroying to think that at a time of real crisis that the Tory party think she is the best candidate for the job.

No. Lord Frost, Braverman, Badenoch are all actual conservatives.

To be fair to Labour, many shadow cabinet members supported AV in the referendum, I should say. But the party repeatedly failed to hold any sort of referendum on it when it was in power.

The problem with any referendum on constitutional issues is that it's extremely hard to explain the consequences in a factual way when you have people campaigning on both sides (as may sound familiar). Voting systems are complicated in and of themselves, and AV wasn't even the PR system that many in favourite of electoral change wanted to see. So even some fans of PR were lukewarm about it because it didn't go far enough.

None of that means that our current system isn't broken and failing people. Referendums are not a good way of governing on any complex issue.

Thick enough to have made her way to the highest position in the UK....

Truss brings to office no mandate from any national electorate. She was chosen neither by her fellow MPs nor by Tory voters, who variously preferred her rival, Rishi Sunak, or for Johnson to stay in office. In the end, her supporters numbered 81,326 among the Tory party membership, a group which is majority elderly, well off and living in the south-east of England. She has come through an attenuated leadership campaign with little credit to her name beyond stamina. She has been gauche and lightweight in debate. Her policies have seemed implausible, stitched together with cliches
The Guardian

Clegg agreed to anything .
He was a bit of a plank tbh
Now a multi millionaire in the US , so it worked out ok for him in the end !