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Advice on daughter and situation with DH

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whattododoo · 30/08/2022 19:23

I will start by saying DH is very hands on and we share childcare 50/50 so he is with our DD (aged 8) just as much as me perhaps slightly more if I'm with the younger child. Not sure if this is two separate problems or one has created the other.

  • DD has been very challenging the past while, attitude, answering back, telling lies, attention seeking. One big area is to do with school work she hates writing and when asked to do homework it is always a major tantrum and tears. She is generally very emotional, always has been and I think very low self esteem. She will have meltdowns after school or her hobbies because someone did not want to sit beside her (she takes everything personally), if someone says something nice she says they are being sarcastic. How do I help her negative mindset?
  • Next my DH seems to be triggered with DD non stop moaning and negativity. He is quick to tell her to stop or even shout at her or send her to her room for how she is behaving and then I have to intervene. No matter how many times I tell him to stop reacting to everything she does he can't help it and constantly snipes at her. Further to this he has high standards for her in terms of education but to the point where she completed work all over the summer which included many tears and tantrums, however when he does the work with her he belittles her or gets annoyed if she doesn't know something, he will act like she's dumb. This is because she is sitting at average in school and he says she is lazy.

I am worried that she will not improve if he continues to act this way towards but he will not stop. I have tried to keep them at a distance from each other but this is hard because he does so much with her on a day to day basis and although she has loads of nice qualities she is really tough work and so we both need a break at times.

I really don't know what to do anymore.

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Afly · 30/08/2022 19:26

I would tell him that the fact that he belittles her for not knowing things and treats her like she's dumb is probably the cause of her low self esteem and dislike of school work

Hopeandlove · 30/08/2022 19:27

You need to break it down and have a common reward system and sanction system.

three rules for example.

my son is 8 and it will take him sometimes 4 hours to do one sodding page in the cgp book that usually takes him less than 10 minutes. It drives me insane. He has a reward chart 10 stars magazine etc 50 big present eg a new football. He can and does lose stars for rudeness. Happy to share our rules if it helps - it is working. My son is autistic and can’t read facial
expressions etc

PonyTime · 30/08/2022 19:27

What came first?

You've written it as if she has always been a bit negative and your DH gets fed up and snips back

Or was his behaviour first in this situation?

Also what do you mean acts as if she is dumb?

PragmaticWench · 30/08/2022 19:29

He may very well be the root cause of her issues. Poor child, belittled and looked down upon by her own father.

I strongly suggest you get her some one-to-one sessions with a child psychologist and then commit to some family work where your DH has to work through his attitude problem.

Lesina · 30/08/2022 19:29

Not only will she not improve, she will have life long self esteem issues. I speak from experience. He is damaging her much more than you realise. He needs to step radically back and stop bullying this young child. There is an very marked difference between motivating, supporting and encouraging your child to put effort into their school work and how he is behaving, which is abhorrent.

There is precious little wonder why your child has low self esteem issues and is very sensitive to perceived slights and criticism. She is living with an adult who is being emotionally abusive & I don't use that term lightly.

Hopeandlove · 30/08/2022 19:30

Oh and your dh needs to rein his neck in.
is he a motivational speaker?
belittling someone Day in and day out - she will
believe it.

my father told me every day how I was lazy and stupid - I have three degrees and still think I’m stupid at 50. Takes me a big haul to turn that mindset around daily.

whattododoo · 30/08/2022 19:30

I have spoken to DH a number of times, he will make an effort to remain calm and nice to her for a short time then he goes back to normal, it's almost like since our other DC came along (1 year old) that he can't stand our daughter. I'm really worried about her mental health in all this so I'm trying to be the middle person and speak to her a lot about feelings, reactions, confidence and positivity etc. I am going to take the lead with homework's from now on as much as I can in putting my foot done with that one.

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Namechangetime89 · 30/08/2022 19:30

First comment nailed it

PragmaticWench · 30/08/2022 19:30

I say this after having to get help for my DS and part of that process was looking at how we, as parents, could help him by addressing our own behaviour and attitudes.

waterrat · 30/08/2022 19:31

Blimey. I mean...just from the perspective of a parent of an 8 year old OP which i am. I literally cannot imagine making my 8 year old do acadenic work in a holiday and if i did do some I would make every effort to keep it light and enjoyable

Your husband sounds like a bully who is slowly destroying her confidence.

Its normal for 8 year olds to be emotional and ratty after school. Give her more downtime and make sure she feels loved and appreciated for who she is.

Stop piling pressuere on her and definitely stop the negative approach to learning. She would learn more just curled up with you or him and a good book

Floomobal · 30/08/2022 19:31

The issues all sound like low Seg esteem and lack of confidence. Probably caused by your husband constantly belittling a small child.

HTH

Floomobal · 30/08/2022 19:31

*self esteem

PonyTime · 30/08/2022 19:32

whattododoo · 30/08/2022 19:30

I have spoken to DH a number of times, he will make an effort to remain calm and nice to her for a short time then he goes back to normal, it's almost like since our other DC came along (1 year old) that he can't stand our daughter. I'm really worried about her mental health in all this so I'm trying to be the middle person and speak to her a lot about feelings, reactions, confidence and positivity etc. I am going to take the lead with homework's from now on as much as I can in putting my foot done with that one.

Tbh once a new baby comes along sometimes you're just tired and get a bit more easily frustrated.

So his behaviour has only started in the last year

How long has she had low self esteem and been so negative?

whattododoo · 30/08/2022 19:33

I have said to him what is the point of her making her feel the way she does just to have some work done. Or what is the point in her being smart if she is going to spend the rest of her life struggling with her mental health!

If she gets something wrong he will respond sarcastically and with an attitude for example will say 'are you serious, stop being lazy and how many times have we done this'. Then she will burst out crying and run upstairs. Then I'll have a go at him, never ending cycle. As I said I'm going to do homework's from now onwards.

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MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 30/08/2022 19:33

Defend her every time he talks down to her about her academic performance. Let her see you stand up for her, show her you think well of her and don't agree with her dad's assessment and that you won't allow her to be bullied. Her insecurity and low self esteem will be a result of the lack of unconditional love from her father who sounds like a short-tempered mean-spirited dickhead to me. Poor DD.

Her negativity and performative insecurity are her crying out for help if you ask me. She is wanting someone to fill the hole in her with love and reassurance. Him (and to a lesser extent you) making her feel like a "problem" will be making it worse. Make her feel loved and valued and she will learn to love and value herself.

Don't know what to do about the husband problem. Have you tried having a serious talk with him about how HIS negativity (not hers!) will be doing serious damage to her self-esteem and confidence and he needs to pack it in and build her up, not knock her down.

Seriously some children are average academically. Most in fact, that's why it's average. Why is he not satisfied with that? Maybe she could do better but she isn't going to while so much of her headspace is given over to negative self-talk HE is teaching her. The voice we use to our children becomes their inner voice.

If he won't get on board then you're going to have to fight him, every time, to protect your daughter's ego. I can't see that being sustainable within a marriage.

marvik · 30/08/2022 19:33

I think if you've got one parent who is being undermining, it doesn't really work/compensate for the other one to be understanding and supportive. There seems to be a fundamental difference in the way you parent. It's also very concerning that he appears to favour the new child.

If he cannot change his behaviour, I'd be wondering whether it is good for the two of you to stay together. Because what you're doing at the moment is not really proper co-parenting.

YellowHpok · 30/08/2022 19:34

He sounds really awful. No wonder her self esteem is so low.

What does be get out of bullying her? Does he bully you also? Undermine your self esteem? Make you doubt yourself?

Quartz2208 · 30/08/2022 19:36

Yep she has just had a new sibling and her father believes average isnt good enough is the issue

He needs to back off

Jacopo · 30/08/2022 19:37

Heartbreaking. Tell him she will remember this all her life. Girls remember what their fathers say to them.

whattododoo · 30/08/2022 19:37

I agree with you all I am at my wits end and feel really upset about it all. We have been together 16 years and this side to him seems to stem from the fact she's not smart, honestly. If anything would end our marriage this is it and I have said to him before I am on the edge and will step in to protect her.

The thing is he swings both ways so he will go to her after and have a calm chat and cuddle her and tell her he loves her. But the cycle continues.

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MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 30/08/2022 19:38

are you serious, stop being lazy and how many times have we done this?

Nasty fucker. Would he speak to his colleagues this way? His mates? His wife? No of course he wouldn't because he'd get his arse handed to him. But he'll bully a small child who relies on him for her sense of self because she can't fight back. He regularly makes his small daughter cry, basically on purpose at this point because he knows what will happen? He's a shitbag.

CiderJolly · 30/08/2022 19:38

How do you manage to stay married to him?

Where is that protective instinct that you should have for your kids?

The mind boggles at the relationships some people choose to stay in and inflict on their children.

whattododoo · 30/08/2022 19:39

MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 30/08/2022 19:38

are you serious, stop being lazy and how many times have we done this?

Nasty fucker. Would he speak to his colleagues this way? His mates? His wife? No of course he wouldn't because he'd get his arse handed to him. But he'll bully a small child who relies on him for her sense of self because she can't fight back. He regularly makes his small daughter cry, basically on purpose at this point because he knows what will happen? He's a shitbag.

I actually asked him if he does it on purpose or does not stop at her until she crys. Thank you for the reply's I need to see this in black and white so I can't have a final chat with him.

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PonyTime · 30/08/2022 19:40

whattododoo · 30/08/2022 19:37

I agree with you all I am at my wits end and feel really upset about it all. We have been together 16 years and this side to him seems to stem from the fact she's not smart, honestly. If anything would end our marriage this is it and I have said to him before I am on the edge and will step in to protect her.

The thing is he swings both ways so he will go to her after and have a calm chat and cuddle her and tell her he loves her. But the cycle continues.

He needs to understand you can push without being a prick.

If my children were able to achieve more and weren't doing so due to laziness it would be addressed but not like he is.

Is she usually very capable and since the new baby started putting less effort into school work? Or has she always been average?

MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 30/08/2022 19:40

The thing is he swings both ways so he will go to her after and have a calm chat and cuddle her and tell her he loves her.

Bait and switch. Also abusive. God I hate to think how confused she must be and how desperate for his approval.