Mark Feehily wants surrogacy to be cheaper and accessible for everyone

[Wouldloveanother]

www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-11141771/Westlifes-Mark-Feehily-discusses-privileged-expensive-surrogacy-journey-welcome-daughter.html

Why are men so entitled?

There are many medical reasons

@heshehahahehe good point raised about the attachment & your baby

As would the infant if they could talk.
yet again no consideration of the perspective of the infant involved.

@Minster2012 medical conditions need ‘treatment’. Another person taking on physical and emotional risks on your behalf isn’t ‘treatment’.

@Minster2012
Very interesting reading
I think he's also referring to the additional processes you have to go through for surrogacy which are costly & don't go to the surrogate so that's not about exploitation

This just screams explotation. The couple wanting a baby is exploited for their money, then the woman is exploited for her womb... with minimal financial compensation.

Remember the babies that couldn't be picked up when covid-19 hit? How the clinics didn't want them and gave them minimal care? How they were already separated from their birth mums?
How can anyone think this is normal??

Surrogacy is disgusting in all forms. Commissioning a human being with the express intention of removing it from its birth mother as soon as its born, and renting the wombs of women, most of whom are only doing it because the money is good. Its selling humans and its grim.

The only time I can get on board with it is when it's a relative or very close friend, absolutely no money, not even 'expenses', changes hands, and the birth mother is still in the child's life afterwards.

But that's a million miles from Mark Fehilllys 'vision', isn't it?

No, but I explicitly stated when a woman agrees to surrogacy with no exploitation.

Would it?

”Here baby, would you like to go home to this loving family who can’t wait to meet you, you may even be genetically their child, or this woman who you is perfectly nice and you have already spent 9 months together but she does not want to be your mother and doesn’t have want to raise a child?”

Oh ffs. Do you really not understand what we are judging is the COMMISSIONING of the baby,
for that very purpose? It’s like, for instance, somebody stealing a baby from a maternity hospital, bringing it up for years as their own, then you saying ‘oh I have no problem with that because better for the kid to stay with the parents who love it than to go back to its birth parents who don’t know it or want it’. Orchestrating a situation which can only ultimately work in your favour is not caring, it’s the opposite.

But what is the bar for 'exploitation'?

In order for it to be completely exploitation free, no money would change hands whatsoever. Because as soon as money comes into it, you are always going to have some women who will have a lot more 'need' to do it than others.

Otherwise, for example, Oli Locke wouldn't have to be combing the globe for a surrogate he can pay, because one of his wealthy female mates would do it out of the goodness of their hearts for free, wouldn't they? Same for Tom Daly, Lance Bass, Mark Fehilly and Kim Kardashian. They must all have friends or family who would love to give them the 'gift' of a child? So why do they need to pay strangers?

erm I think you’ve misunderstood. No one is suggesting that surrogates be forced to raise babies instead of pass them to their intended parents. We’re saying surrogacy shouldn’t happen in the first place, therefore there would be no baby in the first place.

for example, Oli Locke wouldn't have to be combing the globe for a surrogate he can pay, because one of his wealthy female mates would do it out of the goodness of their hearts for free, wouldn't they? Same for Tom Daly, Lance Bass, Mark Fehilly and Kim Kardashian. They must all have friends or family who would love to give them the 'gift' of a child? So why do they need to pay strangers?

Excellent point! These are sociable celebrities who must have a lot of friends and connections. So why did they need to pay somebody?

No, but I explicitly stated when a woman agrees to surrogacy with no exploitation.
Altruistic surrogacy probably makes up a tiny percentage of the babies born through surrogacy.
Commercial surrogacy is rarely not exploitative especially when the host is sourced from a poor country.

Once again, new born babies are not foetuses. No one is selling foetuses.

But why do you think it's OK to kill a foetus up to full term because a woman doesn't want it, but not OK for a woman to birth a foetus and give it to people who do want it? Why should a woman not decide to do this for either money or altruistic reasons if she always comes before the foetus? What, for you, is the major difference between a full term foetus and a new born baby? When does a woman's right to choose what to do with her body stop?

I agree with you. That's the only time I could possibly agree with surrogacy.

@Wouldloveanother what if the medical condition is that the woman is born without a womb? Requires no treatment but makes carrying a child impossible. She could have eggs but not carry so be the genetic mother & her husband be the genetic father. Or fertility screwed by former treatment for a condition like cancer.

@Ylvamoon your last sentences don't make sense but yes I guess the surrogacy process does exploit the intended parents too as the costs are higher

@ThickCutSteakChips that's just not feasible for no money to exchange hands UNLESS the surrogate "friend/relative" is also rich

Wish there was a 'like' button for this.

Because feminists are against the exploitation of female bodies. Paying women, usually women who do it because they need money, to rent their bodies as an incubator, comes under 'exploitation'.

Attachment disorder is heartbreaking to live with. I am guardian to my 2 granddaughters, but I had to go through the court system to get them. The elder one is only 3 but from being removed from parents, being in the foster system and then moved to me we see the damage everyday. People assume she’s young enough to not be affected, but she truly is.

the younger one I’ve had from birth and whilst not as obvious the early days were truly hard. It wasn’t my voice she wanted to comfort her.

@Wouldloveanother there are a lot of reasons for this

@ThickCutSteakChips that's just not feasible for no money to exchange hands UNLESS the surrogate "friend/relative" is also rich

These celebs have plenty of rich friends and relatives - why can't they do it?

Once again, new born babies are not foetuses. No one is selling foetuses.

The woman who agrees to surrogacy intends to sell the foetus from the moment of conception. OK, it won't be ready until it's born, but she has conceived the foetus with full awareness of what it's fate will be.

Surrogacy is obscene. Spare me the sob stories, I'm all done with the #BeKind command. A baby obligated to another from conception, untethered from her mother and then passed on like a product or gift is betrayed from birth.

I could not agree with this more

Yes celebs might well be able to do it @ThickCutSteakChips though I'd argue that the Locke-Locke's circle isn't right as their friends haven't embarked on their own families which it's always encouraged to do first, to ensure there aren't issues with letting the baby go to the intended parents.

From the article

there's a lot of people out there that would like to do surrogacy but it's not the most affordable thing.

It sounds like he's talking about an elitist or expensive sport (show jumping, triathlon, fencing etc) that some people might be excluded from from an affordability perspective not using another (in this case I assume unrelated) person to produce a baby for them!!

I saw an article in the paper recently about a single dad who had twins via surrogacy. He went abroad (iirc to Eastern europe) for the surrogacy and hired a nanny. When the twins were born he and the babies and the nanny stayed somewhere really secluded for a few weeks and it was a really gushy/ lovely/happy/peaceful/beautiful time for them all. The surrogate mother barely got a mention.