Mark Feehily wants surrogacy to be cheaper and accessible for everyone

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www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-11141771/Westlifes-Mark-Feehily-discusses-privileged-expensive-surrogacy-journey-welcome-daughter.html

Why are men so entitled?

But if a baby still feels emotion , pain , loss , etc then regardless of intention there will be suffering ? Is it a case of the wishes of the adult involved are more important than the baby in one scenario but not the other

Would it not be better for the baby to be raised by someone who wants them?

Yeah that made me feel very uncomfortable imagining the baby being ripped away from its mother. My baby cried when she was taken off to be weighed by the midwife, she just wanted to be next to mummy.

It would be better for the baby not to be created with the specific intention of being separated from their birth parent.

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@goldsparklyChocolate many good points raised.

I think most of this thread is a hatred of gay men or a child not having a mother and father.

Very interesting reading
I think he's also referring to the additional processes you have to go through for surrogacy which are costly & don't go to the surrogate so that's not about exploitation & can often be the case for couples who may, for medical reasons need to use surrogacy

Adoption doesn't apply to all & surely half this thread must disagree with that then as a child is not raised by the person who gave birth to them regardless of genetics.

So are you saying a woman has the right to abort a foetus up to full term for any reason, but she doesn't have the right to sell it?

My baby was in NICU for the first 5 months of her life. Does that mean she will have attachment issues since she didn't see me for 2 weeks (I was in icu), and then I saw her just once for a few hours every other day? Will she suffer long term according to that book?

It isn't a 'have a go' question. Genuinely interested. I don't believe Surrogacy is a good idea. The idea money can just get you whatever you like is grotesque

I think he's also referring to the additional processes you have to go through for surrogacy which are costly & don't go to the surrogate so that's not about exploitation & can often be the case for couples who may, for medical reasons need to use surrogacy

like forking out for decent medical care for your rent-a-womb?

nobody ‘needs a surrogate for medical reasons’.

Who is aborting full term fetuses?

Unfortunately allowing any surrogacy normalises the principle that it is ok to give a baby away

Of course it is okay. Adoption still exists even if surrogacy didn’t and it is always better for a child to be with a loving family that cares rather than birth parents who don’t want it.

I know a woman who had a baby via surrogacy through a family member. Mum, child and the surrogate mother are all happy and well adjusted people several years later.
Not all surrogacy is evil.

Sorry, I set out an argument earlier addressed to feminists who believe women should be able to have an abortion up to full term, for any reason, including not wanting them. My point was, if you believe this you believe a woman's right to choose is always greater than any rights of the foetus. Therefore you must believe a woman can choose to sell a foetus if that is what she chooses. I don't agree with this, but thought there may be some conflicting issues there.

Don’t agree with it either to be honest, I don’t think other people look after your children very well, and speaking from only my experience, my husband is just not good at the small stuff.
Dressing , feeding, caring, etc. Apart from all of the wife stuff that he never does.
I’d imagine my children would feel a bit unloved, if I wasn’t here. They certainly be a bit uncared for

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do you not understand the concept of purposefully bringing a baby into the world to separate it from its mother, rather than the necessity of adoption because it’s best for the baby? The surrogate was never going to keep the baby so it’s not a choice between ‘unloving birth family and doting surrogate family’

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My daughter was born at 23 weeks too. Sadly I couldn't be there much. It still haunts me to this day. She won't be held I think, because of it. She spent the first 5 months of her life being left alone, nobody came to pick her up. Just me when I could get there

She's almost 1 now and like a Truby King baby - doesn't cry unless hungry. Slept through when I got her home. Won't be held just for fun or for cuddles. Must be put down just to play. Strict routine baby that is incredibly detached from her mum

We have Lucy's Law for puppies and kittens. Puppies and kittens should never be removed from their mum under 8 weeks old. Yet we don't allow human babies this same right.

Surrogacy is immoral and should be banned imo.

No because she isn’t selling a fetus is she? She’s selling a newborn baby that is now a person in its own right. In most cases the paperwork doesn’t go through until it’s 6 weeks old.

It doesn't surprise me that he is judging standards from Irish women, he has learnt nothing of the devastation selling babies caused Irish women only now the packaging is different.

The women of Ukraine have birthed 1000's of babies, Cyprus is the new hot spot market.

Are any DNA testing carried out on the babies born.

I'm always skeptical when celebrities in their 40's claim to use their own eggs.

@heshehahahehe It's a while since I read the book! It likens babies taken for adoption at birth to a bereavement (for the baby) so I would guess that it's different in your case because you were there after the two weeks. The book is more about dispelling the idea that babies who are taken from their mothers (for whatever reason) don't remember it on some level. In your case you were reunited after a few weeks so it wouldn't apply in the same way?

Fuck me that is far too cheap!

I guess it only covers actual out of pocket expenses, things like travel to hospital, maternity clothes, vitamins, medication, treatment etc and nothing to reflect the physical toll or effects.

Just think of the physical effects of even a straight forward and problem free pregnancy and birth. Then think of the possible birth injuries or lasting effects. Then consider how much would be paid to compensate someone for equivalent symptoms if they were caused in a road accident.

I mean that is just a massive failing from your own husband and not at all relevant to the post.
Your children’s father is “not good” at feeding, caring for and dressing his own children? And you think that is just small stuff!
Jesus some women really do have a low bar.

Ireland seems to have gone straight from directly abusing women under the guise of ‘religion’, to indirectly abusing women under the guise of ‘progressiveness’. With no respite in between.

Therefore you must believe a woman can choose to sell a foetus if that is what she chooses. I don't agree with this, but thought there may be some conflicting issues there.
Do you think it is a choice when the decision is made out of poverty a very risky option to try to escape poverty.

To me the “mother” is not the woman who doesn’t want the baby.

The law would beg to differ.