Mark Feehily wants surrogacy to be cheaper and accessible for everyone

[Wouldloveanother]

www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-11141771/Westlifes-Mark-Feehily-discusses-privileged-expensive-surrogacy-journey-welcome-daughter.html

Why are men so entitled?

I understand your point but people are saying the newborn will suffer immediately being taken from all they know ? Implying that from birth there’s an awareness of loss , Is a newborn capable of that ?

Not meaning to upset anyone but isn't this what happens with adoption?

If a gay (male) couple really want the gift of raising a child, then realistically they should adopt.

I normally hate the “if you can’t have a child you should adopt” stance but in this case it really is apt.

But they don’t want that. They want a newborn baby which requires a woman’s body to get.

Now they are demanding it to be cheaper. So just how much is a woman’s life worth? Since pregnancy can still kill

Well once he grows his own womb he can do it for free can’t he.

I do have children

Of course! Newborns know their mother’s voice, her smell, and even being taken from their mum to be put in a cot is stressful for them.

www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/11/111102124955.htm

It’s not creating an orphan though as the baby still has parents ?

He is a man and well all know men believe female bodies should be available and accessible to them at all times.

Sure, I didn't used to think that about gay men but yes, they still want your body.

The key word is ‘intentional’. I’m guessing people purposefully getting pregnant to have the baby adopted is very rare.

So newborns can experience a range of emotions ?

Not a mother.

“? Implying that from birth there’s an awareness of loss , Is a newborn capable of that ?”
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of course new borns have feelings and are capable of feeling a sense of loss. What an odd comment. They might not be able to verbalise it.

I think we need to be careful about throwing Adoption about as an alternative when in some countries and in some circumstances adoption can be just as unethical.

Ah ok I get it thanks.

There are many people who are adopted that have good lives with no attachment disorders!

There are also people who are brought up with both parents who have attachment disorders due to abuse.

There are also well adjusted people who had single parents of either sex.

A child with loving parents is better off than some children out there.

I imagine a not insignificant percentage of altruistic surrogacy already involves emotional blackmail. But yes, I agree.

I know enough about attachment disorders from my own experience being adopted.
Creating a baby to do this to them is abhorrent.

So a baby can be born and for example of separated from its mother immediately can then feel loss ? Even if it is held and cuddled and fed?

Surrogacy is obscene. Spare me the sob stories, I'm all done with the #BeKind command. A baby obligated to another from conception, untethered from her mother and then passed on like a product or gift is betrayed from birth.

anyone else getting tired of the Disneyfied ‘love is all you need’ rubbish?

Besides if it were true why didn’t he adopt?

Yes @goldsparklyChocolate for the last time.

What about premature babies (let’s say anything from 24 weeks gestation) who immediately go to NICU - I wonder do they feel this loss if separated from their mother or does it not happen till a certain stage of brain development at ?many weeks ?

FFS @goldsparklyChocolate just start a thread about it and stop derailing this one. None of this is confusing if you think women are humans.

Back to the OP. The real expense isn't money, it's health. Pregnancy and birth is risky and causes a lot of health issues. Which is one thing when you get a baby at the end. It's quite another when you're risking your life and health so two entitled wankers can cart the baby off.

I have some time for altruistic surrogacy if a similar protocol was followed to donating an organ altruistically. But not this.

@goldsparklyChocolate babies know which voices/smells are familiar to them. Often newborns settle beat on their mothers because they are familiar.

Do you think there is no attachment/relationship ship/connection (whatever you want to call it) at birth between a mother and infant. Of course they won’t have a complex understanding of the situation, all a new born will know is that they are away from everything the feels/sounds/smells familiar and safe.

His comments make me feel physically sick.

Fuck off you raving misogynist.

God it's just heartbreaking. Poor babies. Poor women.