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How do I prove I am who I am on my birth certificate with no official name change...

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fruitslice · 18/08/2022 14:19

New account as TOTALLY outing!

When I was born, I was given my married parents surname ( name 1 )

When I was around 10 my parents split up and I took my mothers maiden name - there was no paperwork, no deedpoll nothing ( name 2 )

When I was 16 I got my NI number/card in name 2

When I got married, my maiden name was name 2 and now I have name 3

I worked for an airline where we could add family members, I couldnt add my siblings as we had different names (airline had my first name as name 2 and my siblings had name 2)

I'm now looking at getting my Irish Citizenship (via the Grandparent route) but I cannot prove that I with name 3 am also name 1

Does anyone know what I can do?
(going to post in Legal as well - but here for traffic)

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Original poster
fruitslice · 18/08/2022 14:22

I'm in England (born and raised)

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unfortunateevents · 18/08/2022 14:23

Surely your marriage certificate should have been in name one, given that you didn't officially ever change your name to name two? How did you end up getting it in a name which was not your official name on your birth certificate?

Youcancallmeirrelevant · 18/08/2022 14:25

Everything should have been name 1 as you never officially had your name changed to name 2

fufflecake · 18/08/2022 14:25

How did you get married in name 2. I'd check your marriage is still legal.

PeekAtYou · 18/08/2022 14:26

I don't know if you can backdate a deed poll (one for the lawyers on here) but a deed poll dated you age 15 sounds like the answer here.

I'm surprised that name 2 was on your marriage certificate though. As name 2 was unofficial, I'd expect name 1 to be on your NI and marriage certificate.

Hollido · 18/08/2022 14:28

Yeah, this doesn't make sense. NINO would have been name 1, issued automatically, and marriage certificate would have been name 1 also, issued on production of birth certificate. Your passport also would have been name 1, again due to birth certificate.

I mean we don't have id cards so you can call yourself what you like in situations that don't need documents, but all of your documents are either name 1 or name 3 and your marriage certificate is proof of the change between the two.

Thurlow · 18/08/2022 14:28

Decades ago I remember my Dad, who was a police officer, signing some sort of declaration for a friend of mine to get a passport as she had had her name “changed” to her stepdad’s name without any paperwork, so very similar to your situation. But I do remember when she got married that she had a passport in her newer name as well as a birth certificate in her original name.

Like PP, I’m surprised this didn’t come up when you married?

TugboatAnnie · 18/08/2022 14:29

Don't lots of siblings have different surnames? Taking another name on marriage is fairly common isn't it?

Almondsandraisins · 18/08/2022 14:30

If your NINO was issued in name 2 surely there was some kind of legal name change somewhere? I mean its not like the government go round double checking what everyone wants on their NINO card, so they must have been informed somehow

BlueReindeer · 18/08/2022 14:31

Find someone who knew you aged 10 and just do a simple online print deedpoll from then and date it then and send that in if asked?
deedpoll is just a bit of paper saying, my name is now this and you can change name. Both registered with solicitor or that newspaper, that’s it to change your name,

cantcope88 · 18/08/2022 14:32

are you sure there's no deed poll hiding somewhere. what name is your GCSE's in? I changed my name by deed poll aged 15, everything was in my new name including NI number

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fruitslice · 18/08/2022 14:34

You'd think. but I have just checked, and my marriage certificate is definitely in name 2

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Hollido · 18/08/2022 14:34

Almondsandraisins · 18/08/2022 14:30

If your NINO was issued in name 2 surely there was some kind of legal name change somewhere? I mean its not like the government go round double checking what everyone wants on their NINO card, so they must have been informed somehow

That's the only explanation. You only apply for an NINO if you were born outside the UK. If you're born here it's issued automatically in accordance with records they hold.

You say you work in the travel industry so you must have a passport. That will be name 1 also. Unless you presented a change of name deed on application and at each renewal, in which case it will be name 2.

Original poster
fruitslice · 18/08/2022 14:35

fufflecake · 18/08/2022 14:25

How did you get married in name 2. I'd check your marriage is still legal.

Its in name 2. and so were all my government records (NINO etc)

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Silverfinch · 18/08/2022 14:35

Doesn't make any sense. NI no and marriage certificate couldn't have been issued under an unofficial name change.

Hollido · 18/08/2022 14:36

fruitslice · 18/08/2022 14:34

You'd think. but I have just checked, and my marriage certificate is definitely in name 2

Well you're not married then. Which is a bigger issue than the Irish citizenship thing.

(Which is closed for new applications on basis of grandparents btw and has been for some time.)

unfortunateevents · 18/08/2022 14:36

Yes, what name is your passport in? If it was first issued before the age of 15 or whenever you unofficially changed your name then it definitely must be in name one. If it was issued after that you would've had to provide evidence of your identity for the first passport which would also have been in name one so I don't understand how it could ever have ended up in name two?

notanothertakeaway · 18/08/2022 14:38

Deed Poll?

Statutory Declaration of change of name?

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fruitslice · 18/08/2022 14:38

OH!! I have gone through the paperwork looking for the marriage cert, and found an Enhanced DBS from April 2012, which has all 3 names on it!!

I have asked my DM if she did anything when I changed it

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steff13 · 18/08/2022 14:39

Are you allowed to use a name you haven't legally changed to on government documents? Here you wouldn't be.

cantcope88 · 18/08/2022 14:40

Maybe your mother changed it legally without your father knowing.

Narcheska · 18/08/2022 14:41

How did you prove your id to get married? The gov website says you need passport or birth certificate both of which should have been in. Name 1 without any official paperwork to change that and proof of name changes like deed poll

when we got married DH had to answer a bunch of questions and provide proof of his name change because he’s had his names changed by deed poll as a child. We had to get the paper work from his mum

AdInfinitum12 · 18/08/2022 14:42

Hasn't the grandparent route to Irish citizenship ended?

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fruitslice · 18/08/2022 14:42

unfortunateevents · 18/08/2022 14:36

Yes, what name is your passport in? If it was first issued before the age of 15 or whenever you unofficially changed your name then it definitely must be in name one. If it was issued after that you would've had to provide evidence of your identity for the first passport which would also have been in name one so I don't understand how it could ever have ended up in name two?

I have had passports in both name 2 and name 3

while I had name 1 - i was on my DMs passport

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hotfroth · 18/08/2022 14:44

Marriage certificates have a space for fathers names and occupations, so your dad's name should be on there with surname 1.

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