How do I prove I am who I am on my birth certificate with no official name change...

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New account as TOTALLY outing!

When I was born, I was given my married parents surname ( name 1 )

When I was around 10 my parents split up and I took my mothers maiden name - there was no paperwork, no deedpoll nothing ( name 2 )

When I was 16 I got my NI number/card in name 2

When I got married, my maiden name was name 2 and now I have name 3

I worked for an airline where we could add family members, I couldnt add my siblings as we had different names (airline had my first name as name 2 and my siblings had name 2)

I'm now looking at getting my Irish Citizenship (via the Grandparent route) but I cannot prove that I with name 3 am also name 1

Does anyone know what I can do?
(going to post in Legal as well - but here for traffic)

What is the statutory declaration - is that the
I was known as name1 from x to x and name2 from dates x to y ?

So this is just like me but when I went from name 1 to name 2 at age 10 in 1989 it required a court order as my DSD was named as my legal guardian.
As my name on my birth cert was different to my passport I had to produce this court document when I got my passport and when I got married.

To do the sworn affidavit I had to have mothers birth certificate, her 1st marriage certificate, her decree absolute, her second marriage certificate, my birth certificate (full one) and proof of address for both of us.

This is more common than you think, but there is no easy solution. You will probably have to be creative. Grandparent passport photos and photos of you with grandparents... Either that or start using name 1 now and get the relevant paperwork in place, then try again.

We had a relative who managed to have her fabricated younger birth date in al sorts of official places. It caused all manner of confusion in her old age.

This happened to me, my name on my birth certificate is spelled completely differently from the name I've used all my life. Everything except for my birth certificate is in Name 2 . I had to apply to the registrar to change the name on my birth certificate, it was a bit expensive but easy enough to do. It was ages ago but I think I just wrote to them explaining the circumstances and they asked for some proof that I had lived under Name 2 and I think that was that.

Hm. That’s complicated because name 2 was never your legal name. So there’s a legal error on your marriage certificate. I’d look into whether you can get that corrected as the starting point.

For the purposes of the Irish citizenship application, I’d suggest you change your name by deed poll from name 1 to name 3. Then apply for Irish citizenship with your name 1 birth certificate and your name 3 deed poll certificate, don’t mention tour marriage and hope for the best.

But perhaps there is a better way I haven’t thought of.

Your mother is probably right, here in Ireland right now there is no need to do a deed poll to change your name, you can do it by common usage, basically just start to use the new one. The trouble you run into is where you want official documents etc but for standard stuff like schools/doctor etc it's fine. The option to change by deed poll is there and advisable to avoid problems like this but years ago I doubt very many did it officially.

OP has never lived in Ireland though. She just wants Irish citizenship through her grandparents now.

How would you prove that it's your birth certificate though?

That was in response to @OldFan who said:

If you have your birth certificate, that'll prove you are name 1.

I don’t think that there is anything wrong with the marriage certificate because at the time she got married OP had a passport in that name. There is no central register of “legal names” and so holding a passport in a name is pretty much the best you can get in terms of having a “legal name”.

The passport office must have been satisfied at the time of issue that she was entitled to a passport in Name2. The only potential loophole would be if the passport had been obtained fraudulently.

I know she lives in UK, just saying it's not uncommon for deed poll not to be necessary considering most of our rules/laws date from UK ones!

Totally possible to have official documents in names that don't match your birth certificate. Any name you are known by is your "legal name" in the UK.

My relative's passport (and marriage certificate, and bank cards etc) are all using a nickname, and her birth certificate has her full first name. I think producing formal ID to get married came after she was married anyway. Things were much more lax in the past!

Exactly - hoping to hear from the Drs soon if they have a record

At the appointment the registrar would have asked if OP had ever been known by any other names and Name 1 should have been recorded. If OP did not declare Name 1 she has committed purjury, but the fact that Name 1 is not on the marriage certificate does not mean it was not declared as you can choose whether or not ‘formerly known as’ names are shown on the certificate.

Agree with PP, the marriage certificate is not the issue and link to Name 2 can be shown with Mother’s documents. It’s not that uncommon, just a pain to deal with.

I had a similar situation one name on BC mum married when I was 6 started calling me step dad's name when I was 6 (in the 80's). All my gcses driving licence NI number etc are in step dads name. Got married in step dads name the only times I had problems were when I got my first passport when I was in my 40s, and I had to get a letter off my mum to explain what had happened, I did need to provide extra info for a dbs check for work

My name was spelt differently on my NI card to what is on my birth certificate. Same names, just all spelt wrong!

I had all this shite.

My dads surname on birth certificate.

Mum changed by a solicitor letter whatsit to her maiden name.

Met my step-dad then changed it "unofficially" with school to name 3 (stepdads surname).

When I came to register with a professional body, Jesus fucking Christ I had a right palava. Luckily my certificates were in name 2 but then I couldn't find the original signed solicitors letter. In the end submitted my own bloody deed poll and did it again.

I'm now permanently name 2 (DMs maiden name) and I'm not changing it ever. Told DP to shove his name up his arse when we get married.

Wow. You’re quite angry aren’t you?

Told DP to shove his name up his arse when we get married
You sound quite the catch.

I don’t think that is perjury; perjury is lying under oath in court.

It might possible be failure to disclose material information or some such thing but unless the interview begins with a caution I doubt that failure to disclose a former name would carry any penalty.

(I don’t know from experience as I got married in Scotland and you don’t need an interview there).

In England it is definitely purjury to knowingly give false information to a registrar for the registration of a birth, death or marriage. All registration offices must display a warning notice to that effect.

OP isn’t giving notice (that time has passed), I’m referring just to the process/evidence required for a correction to the marriage entry to reflect she had a legal name and a known by name.

If you’d really seen such a notice you’d know how to spell perjury. It may well be a criminal offence, but it’s not perjury.

(I’m an England & Wales qualified lawyer).

Yes, I know that she isn’t giving notice. What I am asking is why you believe that the marriage certificate should have shown Name 1 as what you describe as her “last legally acquired name” when it is clear that only a passport is required to prove your identity, and OP had a passport in Name2? Why any Registrar looking at the requested passport have any reason to believe that Name 2 was not a “legally acquired name”?