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AIBU to not want to provide for other peoples abusive children

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Ergh · 15/08/2022 15:24

Sorry about the long post, I’ve left so much out too but I really need advice if this is salvageable or not.

Partner moved in last year with me and my children. His ex partner has 4 children with only 1 being biologically his (others see their real dad and don’t call my partner dad etc he only lived with them for 2 years as he worked away) however we wanted to include them all so they all started to stay over and although manic, for the first weekend, we had fun. But, it’s just gone downhill from there.

Even though I work full time I am struggling to afford all these children as it all comes from my pocket - partner’s ex got him in debt and kicked him out with nothing (another story) but he’s working hard to fix this. So I asked to maybe have them a little less and was told no. Not only am I expected to foot the bill of my utilities and food bills going through the roof and days out being tripled in cost,
i am more upset with the way his/her kids treat us especially when I’ve invited them into my home.

I’ve had them for 2 weeks this summer. I booked a holiday for all of us the first week and as soon as we got home I was met with such distain and rudeness with the activities expected to continue. I had a few days out planned for the rest of their time with us but I couldn’t afford everyday. Days I had planned stuff my own kids were interested in were completely ruined by the others screaming, shouting, fighting and climbing all over everything. They demanded that I took them to places and were rude if I said no. I kitted out my house and garden for them prior to them staying so they wouldn’t be bored but they just fight over everything.

My house has hundreds of pounds worth of damage now and my own children have been physically abused to the point blood was drawn. I have said that the main 2 responsible should not be allowed in my home until this is addressed but after him and ex talked they’re still coming over anyway. She doesn’t want to split up the kids and refused contact to his bio son unless we have them all. She said she NEEDS her kid free weekends. I have mine and hers every weekend and haven’t complained. Until now.

We have had to work on all their behaviour from the start as they are allowed free reign at home, never said no to and mum blames everything else or mental illness’s for their behaviour. Whatever we do here is not followed up at home so I’m ready to give up. I’m really worried about my children now because I work a lot during the week we only had the weekends to have fun which I don’t even get to speak to them now because I’m dealing with my partners kids making sure they’re not fighting or breaking things constantly. It’s exhausting. (Kids are 8,10, 11 & 12 for context with youngest being my partners only bio child) Mum doesn’t mind her house being trashed and furniture ruined with the whole ‘kids will be kids’ mentality. So they’ve never been taught to respect peoples property. They will literally wipe their hands on my walls and furniture instead of washing them and throw food and wrappers on the floor and steal things. I can repaint but I can’t replace expensive things like the sofa, Nintendo and trampoline they’ve broken 😭 she has told us that their behaviour at my house is not her responsibility so if they misbehave, break something or hurt someone here we can discipline them but she won’t be following up when they come home because if they get their electronics taken off them for example it makes her life hard.

I have begged my partner that If the rules of my home can’t be followed (the rules are basically don’t fight, pick up after yourself etc, so nothing draconian) then why should I allow them over? I don’t mind treating them occasionally but I can’t do every weekend it’s killing us. He says he’s trying but it’s me doing everything, trying to figure out how to fix their awful behaviour, planning everything, cooking meals, paying, watching them etc.

I feel like I’ve made a huge mistake and am being used as a daycare and for money. I’m regularly left alone with them while partner has work or plans and have been hit in the face myself when I’ve asked one to stop misbehaving. I haven’t had to deal with this with my own so I do not know how to handle stuff like that. I treat them all the same so they don’t feel left out and I feel like I’ve being completely naive that they would appreciate that by being nice to me and my children. That’s literally all I want.

AIBU to not want this and feel like it’s not my responsibility or am I evil for not wanting to include all the kids? I tried too! I’m so tired I don’t know who’s in the right here or what’s going on anymore 😩 I love my partner very much but I love my kids more so I’m considering asking him to leave tonight so we don’t have to have our home and lives taken over by his kids anymore.

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AtrociousCircumstance · 16/08/2022 10:45

Well done. You should be proud of your decisive action. Enjoy the rest of the summer in peace!

Ergh · 16/08/2022 10:48

billy1966 · 16/08/2022 10:31

Well done OP for getting him out.

Whatever your girls have said to you about being ok, I would take with a pinch of salt, unless their own lives are similarly chaotic?

It doesn't sound from what you have written that it was, so this last year will have been very confusing for them, whatever they say.

I think doing some work on your boundaries is very important, because your daughters will model what they accept from how they are reared.

In your place I would be very frank and tell them you made a VERY big mistake and you were VERY wrong.

That you thought doing something kind was more important than keeping your home a safe place.

That you allowed such awful behaviour to continue because you liked the Dad.

That you realise what you did was very wrong.

That you should NEVER put the needs of strangers ahead of whats best for yourself, in your own home.

IMO it is important to be able to tell your children that you have messed up and that you have learned from it.

If you press that point home you can find some scrap of good in this awful situation.

Women are conditioned to look after others, ahead of themselves, I certainly have done that at times in my long life.

I have 4 children.

Two boys, young men, that I do not have to have the conversation with, as they, while lovely lads, just naturally have excellent boundaries and a "fxxk that" attitude to any hint of someone stepping on them.

With the girls I have had the conversations to remind them of the critical importance of loving THEMSELVES first, put themselves first, be kind to themselves first, before they run around after other people......in particular boys, and men.

My youngest came home one day years ago from school, having brought a large box of Scandinavian sweets that her father had given her into her class.

She shared them out, they were delicious, and children came back for more.
She didn't end up having even one herself🙄
This is where it starts.

Red flag to me as a parent that I wasn't doing as good a job as I had hoped.

We have had many, many, conversations since that day a decade ago, that loving yourself first is SO important.

Looking after, and being kind to yourself is so important in any relationship.

The relationship you have with yourself comes first, always.

Particularly with men.

Best of luck to you and your girls.

Literally everything you said I said to them. I said I know you’re saying you’re ok but this wasn’t ok. I don’t want them growing up and thinking it’s ok to be treated like that. They felt bad for the boys too but I said ‘what about you’ and it kind of clicked. I think we all want to just be nice and help people but you’re right we have to look after ourselves too.

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Dwrcegin · 16/08/2022 10:51

Well done OP Flowers

FOJN · 16/08/2022 10:55

Good for you OP.

I'm glad you've had the conversation about boundaries with your daughter's, it's so important.

I think it's been a really extreme example of where "be kind" can take us but I do think now is the time to be kind to yourself.

I hope you and your daughter's can enjoy the remainder of the summer holiday.

billy1966 · 16/08/2022 11:07

Good for you.

As I said, I have had the conversation many times in little snippets.

But if I am honest, since being on MN I have become super aware as the consequences of women putting themselves last in everything often has catastrophic consequences on them and their lives.

I don't want that for my girls, and if they have a selfish streak as a result, so be it.

The alternative is too awful.

iRun2eatCake · 16/08/2022 11:16

So pleased to read your update. Stay strong though as he may get in touch trying to still change your mind

Puzzledandpissedoff · 16/08/2022 11:33

Very well done, OP, but do be aware he could be back soon with an "I've spoken to them all and it's going to be different from now on"

Naturally this will be nonsense, but I'll be surprised if he'll give up his cushy number with you quite that easily

billy1966 · 16/08/2022 11:43

Puzzledandpissedoff · 16/08/2022 11:33

Very well done, OP, but do be aware he could be back soon with an "I've spoken to them all and it's going to be different from now on"

Naturally this will be nonsense, but I'll be surprised if he'll give up his cushy number with you quite that easily

Wouldn't surprise me either.

Ergh · 16/08/2022 11:57

Puzzledandpissedoff · 16/08/2022 11:33

Very well done, OP, but do be aware he could be back soon with an "I've spoken to them all and it's going to be different from now on"

Naturally this will be nonsense, but I'll be surprised if he'll give up his cushy number with you quite that easily

It wouldn’t be though, he’s said that before and as soon as they walked through the door demanded food and my PlayStation. I say no btw ‘if you don’t behave you don’t use my things’ and the disrespect back was disgusting. But they’re still allowed on their own iPads and phones so I was just over ridden constantly. it won’t ever be different, it won’t ever change and I can’t do this for another nearly 10 years , which is what I said when I dumped him.

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 16/08/2022 12:01

it won’t ever be different, it won’t ever change

You're absolutely right, it won't, but my thinking was that it may not stop him claiming this in the hope of getting his feet back under the table

Happily you're clearly better than that - what a pity he's not

Meraas · 16/08/2022 12:01

Literally everything you said I said to them. I said I know you’re saying you’re ok but this wasn’t ok. I don’t want them growing up and thinking it’s ok to be treated like that. They felt bad for the boys too but I said ‘what about you’ and it kind of clicked. I think we all want to just be nice and help people but you’re right we have to look after ourselves too.

You're still too focused on looking after him. This is the man who sat back expected you to cook and pay and do childcare for his kids.

Who cares about looking after him?! He's a user.

poetryandwine · 16/08/2022 12:16

Really well done, OP.

I also think he may get in touch to ask you to reconsider. There may be new promises. Please, please hold firm. He isn’t trustworthy on many levels. You and your DC deserve better.

Ergh · 16/08/2022 12:40

Everyone concerned that I’m going to give in shouldn’t be. He’s said all them lines before nothing changed I’m not doing it twice. It’s completely over because of my kids. They’re not seeing one ounce of this madness anymore.

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MeridianB · 16/08/2022 12:40

Just read your latest updates, OP, and am so, SO proud of you. I am very releived that he acknowledged everything and went quickly and without drama.

So happy you and your children have your safe space back. Hope you enjoy plenty of quality time together.

I also applaud you reporting the neglect of the four boys, who are clearly being let down by their parents. The saddest thing of all is that all of this could have been avoided if they had just been raised with love, care and boundaries - none of which cost anything.

The fact their clothes don't fit but they have iPads is just crazy. And they think it's OK to insult adults and physically attack other children, which is taking them further and further outside the sphere of acceptable social behaviour and will potentially impact their whole lives. Sad

Ergh · 16/08/2022 12:49

MeridianB · 16/08/2022 12:40

Just read your latest updates, OP, and am so, SO proud of you. I am very releived that he acknowledged everything and went quickly and without drama.

So happy you and your children have your safe space back. Hope you enjoy plenty of quality time together.

I also applaud you reporting the neglect of the four boys, who are clearly being let down by their parents. The saddest thing of all is that all of this could have been avoided if they had just been raised with love, care and boundaries - none of which cost anything.

The fact their clothes don't fit but they have iPads is just crazy. And they think it's OK to insult adults and physically attack other children, which is taking them further and further outside the sphere of acceptable social behaviour and will potentially impact their whole lives. Sad

Thank you so much.
That’s why it was hard for me because I could see that they had it crappy.
Yes, they have tablets so they don’t bother the mum. They sit on them all day and said there’s nothing else to do at home so very upset they weren’t grateful I did stuff with them and let them in our pool etc. One’s been left here and the mum was going nuts. It was the violent kids so very unsure why she’d even let him have it after that?! I might sell it to fix the damage that kid caused 😂 (jk ex took it with him)

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poetryandwine · 16/08/2022 12:56

OP, you are fab!

bbqhulahoop · 16/08/2022 13:00

Get rid of all of them. The narrative that he has no cash cos his evil ex took it all is a tale as old as time from the cocklodger handbook. This should've been enough to end the relationship to be honest

Barnowl25 · 16/08/2022 13:16

Dump him. No one is worth that kind of behaviour.

AnxietyLevelMax · 16/08/2022 13:17

@Barnowl25 she did.

Barnowl25 · 16/08/2022 13:21

Sorry posted too soon before rtft well done OP

Ergh · 16/08/2022 13:33

Probably my last update for a while. Been bleaching the house - yes they all stank 🤢 mum sent round clothes soaked in cat urine numerous times and my sofa is ruined.

Anywho, ex has completely gone. Won’t be returning. Blocked his ex. Also sent her a ‘letter before claim’ this morning so hopefully she gets that and decides to pay for the damage her children have caused to my home or I’ll take her to court. doubt I’ll actually see any money as her house is completely trashed like literal shit on the walls she has nothing, but will hope and pray🤞He’s offered to pay too but won’t hold my breath when he couldn’t even stop his kids smearing food on my furniture.

Thanks to those who were nice and gave good advice, I really appreciate it.
Time to get our lives back and forget about these scrounging feral twats (I’m on about the parents here 😂) who nearly ruined our lives. Just want to turn my phone off and enjoy my children and try to make it up to them.

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ClottedCreamAndStrawberries · 16/08/2022 13:37

He’s a cocklodger, dump him @Ergh Your ‘partner’ is bringing you nothing but stress and you’re footing the bill so don’t allow it. When DH’s DD did something really terrible I said she wasn’t welcome in the house anymore (DSS is welcome anytime) Luckily DH agreed and now she doesn’t come round. Take a firm stand like that, although in your case I think you need to get rid of them ALL. Partner included.

jeaux90 · 16/08/2022 13:38

You are amazing OP well done.
As one single mum to another, enjoy the peace Flowers.

A fabulous example to your DDs too about learning from difficult decisions and prioritising your own boundaries and well being.

Girls are socialised too often to put up with shit from boys so well done for standing up for them and you.

NellyNothing · 16/08/2022 14:01

Also sent her a ‘letter before claim’ this morning so hopefully she gets that and decides to pay for the damage her children have caused to my home or I’ll take her to court.

Have you actually sent one?? Surely how the kids behaved in your house was the responsibility of your ex?

Hippyatheart58 · 16/08/2022 14:27

Wishing you and your children all the best for the future. So happy for you all that you have your home and peace back. Xx