Jack Monroe again

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Has anyone seen the recent tweet about her pawning/selling three diamond engagement rings? Aibu to think if you are pleading poverty and asking the general public to donate money one week and then showing off pictures of three massive diamonds you own the next, it's never going to go down well? Especially when you are already being challenged on lying and grifting?

For a long time I thought JM was nothing but a force of a good but I can't understand how she can be so tone deaf. It can't be deliberate but equally how can she not realise how it looks to produce three huge rings just a week after claiming she's so skint she needs handouts.

Apologies if there's already a thread on this.

One thing I'm pretty sure of is that if anyone started a thread on here complaining about their lack of money and AS then revealed an ongoing Patreon, a recent trip to Venice and the purchase of an expensive dog, they would be utterly eviscerated before being banned as a troll.

She criticises the government and is a voice people listen too. So then social media attacks her - I don't think this is a coincidence.
Its clear this govt don't give a crap about the disaster thats about to happen to people(and is already happening to alot of people) with rising prices. So they don't like celebrities who point this out!

She isn't perfect and her behaviour is erratic sometimes but she's open about it. She doesn't always make sensible decisions like saving for a rainy day etc but she's in a financial situation she got into with a partner so is struggling now that relationship has ended.

Oh please. I know she likes to think anyone who dislikes her is because they're rabid defenders of the Tory government @Stripyhoglets1 but that's rubbish.

People dislike her because she gives poor advice, plays at poverty and doesn't use her huge platform for good. Have you ever seen her signpost people to sources of help? Like CA or stepchange or how to find a local foodbank? Because I haven't.

Yeah, I pretty much detest her.

Not rabid defenders - but part of the tory campaign.

They do it to everyone who is a threat.
Kier Starmer had a T shirt making headline news the other day!

Oh and yes alot of real people will dislike her and join in the thread to say why etc. Etc.

“All 200 products in these value ranges will now be available in all Asda stores by 1 March, said Meg Farren, Asda's chief customer officer.
"We want to help our customers' budgets stretch further and have taken on board the comments about the availability of our Smart Price range made by Jack Monroe.”www.bbc.com/news/business-60287010

The ONS price index changes and VBI: Monroe tweeted on Wednesday: “Delighted to be able to tell you that the [Office for National Statistics] have just announced that they are going to be changing the way they collect and report on the cost of food prices and inflation to take into consideration a wider range of income levels and household circumstances. www.independent.co.uk/news/business/jack-monroe-inflation-cost-of-living-b2001081.html “

Hint - her own tweets are not a reliable source.

I attack her on social media. I've never voted anything but labour.

It's just a way of diverting attention away from what those people are saying - a transparent attempt to get those voices dismissed

The ONS changes had nothing to do with Jack - they'd been planned long before she tried to insert herself. Her index (the VImes Boots Index) is supposed to be cobbled together with her handwritten records, and till receipts she asked people to post her(!) She's not spoken of it for a while now... As a pp said, Trolley are currently tracking changes. The VBI will be out of date before it's even written (not that it will be). A lot of people donated
Money directly to her to facilitate this index. She's never shown any signs of ever doing any work on it.

I think you are very misinformed here! Plenty of people object to her being the self appointed spokesperson for ‘poor people’ because actually they are the poor people and realise she doesn’t represent them at all.

Poor Jack. Always so poor. Will she sell the gifted Emin next

Thanks for looking those up, Pollianne.

I think she does have an impact because she is a consistent, known voice who the media can turn to. There are many campaigning organisations making the same points (including Trussel Trust, Christians Against Poverty, etc.) but the media like someone with a bit of presence and profile. Jack Monroe and Martin Lewis are two people who have that profile and do consistently campaign against poverty. You will see individuals being interviewed about their food bank use etc. but it's rare to have the energy and confidence to be articulate and media savvy when your life is absolutely falling apart.

It is no coincidence that both Monroe and Lewis are being attacked as hypocrites. They may be, but they are really important as non politicians using their platform to make these points.

There is a huge right wing narrative that there is no such thing as altruism, all socialists are hypocrites, anti do-gooder, etc. It's an attempt to disguise how bad things have got for many people in this country and how far public services have been eroded.

Monroe obviously has issues, is possibly her own worst enemy and I personally wouldn't donate to her living costs. But I don't see her doing a lot of harm to anyone other than herself, and i do see her having some impact. I also really hate the mumsnet/tattle school yard bully pile on thing.

The Asda quote doesn't give her any credit at all though... "Taken on board" is just a nice way of saying "we'll give her a mention even though she did nothing". She attaches herself to these things and has a knack at making it look like they're HER things. They aren't.

Sorry you were wrong about her. It must feel disappointing to realise that someone you think is amazing is actually a lying grifter who was never poor.

The Tattle Jack Monroe Wiki (google it) has all the receipts.

Oh yeah, and let's not forget the animal abuse (by her) that has been fully documented on there.

Just the tip of a very grubby iceberg.

I can't comment on the ONS, VBI etc, but looking at that Asda comment above, of course they would say that they've taken her comments on board. They've hardly going to turn around and say 'FFS, this was a minor hitch in one branch because a lorry broke down [or whatever it was] and it's all sorted now. No need for dramatics. [eyeroll emoji]'.

As others have commented, supermarkets don't change their own brand ranges in a week in response to a Twitter thread. It would take months and months to put the contracts in place with suppliers and packaging designers, get the stuff produced and into the warehouses, and then into the stores. Jack Monroe's comments claiming credit for this supposed instant policy change just make her look foolish and reduce her credibility as a commentator in this area.

No as I said, I'd ask others for help before I sold them, just as JM seems to have done. If I couldn't get help anywhere else then I would sell them, as JM seems to be doing.

Why should other people give you money/food/whatever when you're sitting on some jewellery you could sell?! Gobsmacked.

Can I just also say I am so tired of seeing people fling the word 'hate' around when what they are observing is irritation and annoyance. There's a huge difference. I don't hate JM. I don't hate her behaviour. I find it tiresome.

The main thing that bothers me about all of this, though, is it's yet another sign that a lot of people actively choose not to think critically. They prefer to be credulous. They want to believe that JM is a poor single mother from a working class background, suffering from multiple chronic health problems, bravely battling the system and constantly done out of her rights by jealous rivals, and so they do believe it, closing their eyes and minds to all the evidence that very little of that is true.

Exactly what we see with Trump and many other populists. Cult of personality. I wonder if it's replacing religion for some.

If you're choosing to use Tattle as a source of information, you might want to take a look at this.

www.theguardian.com/society/2021/nov/24/people-nasty-as-hell-on-there-battle-close-tattle-most-hate-filled-corner-web

It's a bit rambling and talks a lot about influencers and people I've never heard of and am not that interested in. But it makes some powerful points. I'd honestly be reflecting on whether you really want to be part of this social movement.

I'm delighted that Mumsnet has at least some kind of moderation and took down the tattle links earlier in the thread.

"Founded in 2018, Tattle Life is a gossip forum dedicated to dissecting the lives of women in the public eye. Quietly, without mainstream recognition, Tattle has become one of the most-visited – and hate-filled – websites in the UK"

"Browsing Tattle Life is like dipping a foot into an acid bath. “One ugly bitch,” reads a post about the television reality star Katie Price. Commenters eviscerate women’s appearances, parenting, relationships, and mental health. (“Her fake postnatal depression shit is disgusting,” reads a post about the influencer Melanie Murphy.)"

"Analysis of 60 discussion threads by the British-American not-for-profit Center for Countering Digital Hate (CCDH) indicates that 75% were about women. Of these, 15% contained posts promoting hatred of women, 12% contained misinformation, while 10% suggested that they were bad parents."

"The experience of being abused on Tattle is profoundly anxiety-inducing. “Everything about me is twisted,” says the Dublin-based influencer Grace Mongey, 33. “When my cat went missing for four days, they said I hid it in my back yard for publicity.”

"Hannah Farrington, 28, from London has a stark warning about the dangers of Tattle. “I think someone will kill themselves because of it,” she says. “It’s inevitable. People are nasty as hell on there, and reading that about yourself becomes all-consuming."

What is very concerning is the wealthy influencer type/ famous people endorsing her whilst ignoring the blatant contradictions and bad advice. Their endorsement appears to be a conscience vote which others will take seriously and continue to support her. If or when ( I feel it will be when) she is finally exposed for her litany of lies the famous endorsers will melt away, shrug their shoulders while Patreon and PayPal donors are out of pocket. Jack fits a great demographic for the wealthy who want to be seen to do something without having to do anything but offer fake platitudes and bung a few pounds into a Patreon subscription that is never filled and they don’t want. I cannot see Nigella Lawson worrying about not receiving postcards of garlic to adorn her home.

I also question any poverty campaigner who delays paying their taxes, social conscience appears to have disappeared. Surely paying tax is a priority of a left wing poverty figurehead ? ( tax information indicated that she failed to file returns for two years, it was only settled when she dissolved her Ltd company in July)

She does give out bad / dangerous advice. She refuses to accept any questions and when you pop yourself out there surely being questioned about your advice, views is part of being in the public eye?

She cannot continue to claim poverty, buy and provide the upkeep for a large puppy/dog, rent an expensive detached bungalow in one of the nicest parts of Southend, claim a litany of health issues only to be seen contradicting them in the next Twitter post etc… and expect people to fund her lifestyle after telling everyone that she is broke.

Yes, people deserve to be paid for their work, she is via her book sales. Pretending to be poor is insulting to those on the actual breadline. She claims to work 100 hour weeks, but spends most of her time on Twitter, making spurious claims, dishing out badly researched advice and arguing with anyone who questions her, or upsets her fragile sensibilities.

I think it will come crashing down fairly soon, I wish her family would step in to help her, advise her to take a break from social media and look after herself. I notice that the privileged backers on Twitter merely pat her on the head, no one is asking that mental health services get involved and I for one feel she is deeply unwell and requires urgent support. Her behaviour is harming others via bad advice and constant begging for money from people who can ill afford it.

@BishyBarnyBee I won't quote your post so as not to clutter up the thread. But to be clear, when I say that Tattle has the info, I don't mean the site itself, I mean that users there have collected screenshots of JM's own social media posts PROVING that she contradicts herself all the time and outright lies. The information doesn't come from Tattle, that's just where it is collated. It is JM's own words.

For instance, during the time that she claimed to be homeless, she was posting on a local Facebook group asking for local mums to come over to her flat for meet ups. This is not a story told by people on Tattle. There are screenshots of articles she has written stating that she was homeless, alongside a screenshot of her Facebook post.

The Tattle threads on Monroe are absolutely bonkers. And, although it's officially not allowed, I'm pretty sure that most of Monroe's most active critics on Twitter are regulars there.

I think she can be annoying and is clearly a bit of a bullshitter, so I have her muted on Twitter. Always an option, folks! But on the other hand I think she's mostly well intentioned. She's far from the worst person in the world, and I'm not sure what her critics even want, really. If she did just shut up and leave the internet - is that the end goal? - I wonder how they would fill their time. I guess they'd have to find someone else to fixate on.

Tattle may well be a worse cesspit than Twitter - I'm not a regular reader.

But the thread from there which got so much traction on Twitter was not gossip, speculation, rumour or bitchiness.

It was Jack Monroe's OWN TWEETS showing blatant contradiction and half truth.

And, although it's officially not allowed, I'm pretty sure that most of Monroe's most active critics on Twitter are regulars there

I'm not sure what you mean by officially not allowed? You're allowed to have a twitter account and post on MN.

Just ignore me, I read "there" as "here".