Am I the only one who thinks scrimping and saving can go and get fucked for bare essentials

[Freedomfromunfairbills]

All the advice about cost of living seems to be ways you can scrimp and save to possible cobble together enough money to stay alive on bare necessities such as food, water, etc. Am I the only one thinking fuck this we just should not accept this when many of the companies jacking up their prices are making record profits. Even if it’s technically possible why on earth should I give up new clothes, gadgets, TV, holidays abroad, ect all to fund the obscene riches of the one percent. Instead of this advice on how to possibly meet these we actually need to say on mass no we are not surfs under the feudal system and we refuse to become a peasant class enough is enough. We should demand the government steps on and nationalises these companies and demand immediate taxes on the ultra rich to fund it all. I’ve always been fairly right wing and conservative but surely this is simply some kind of feudalism that will reduce many of us to little more than peasants and ruin the quality of life for many. Aibu?

I really dont thing Germany are golden as it's merkals policy that got us in this mess in the first place.

Going cap in hand to Russia for nord. Stream would Never end well

Firstly if you want to carry on with a high consumerist lifestyle, then you'll see more of your pennies going to keep the fat cats rich.

Secondly who have you voted for since you were 18, if you have voted for governments and local government that support and believe in the concept of the market, then you should be happy, this is simply the outcome of that.

The point is the German public are not suffering as much as the British public, despite higher exposure to the Nordstream impact.

That is a government choice. If you are happy to pay higher prices than your German equivalents, that's fine by you, but I would prefer not to, personally. The Tories do not care to assist me though.

Oscar Wilde Quotes
Sometimes the poor are praised for being thrifty. But to recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.

Basically this.

Sorry for the truth

We are far poorer and our prognosis is poorer than our EU counterparts and that is solely due to the governments economic management and Brexit

We have lost position in terms of our wealth and will continue to do so

We were the sick man of Europe in the 70s and we begged the EU to join the common market, we worked hard to achieve that and now its all thrown away

It's mind blowing that people can be this ignorant (or just fucking selfish in the extreme)

Its very ignorant. Who the fuck is going to do the jobs that make the profit for those at the top if everyone ‘just earns more’? Who is going to take your bins? Deliver your goods? Produce your food? if they all ‘stop feeling entitled’ to a decent standard of living and ‘just earn more’ by working their way up? You can’t have everyone at the top and the people at the top wouldn’t earn a thing without the people doing lower paid work that keeps the economy going.
The comment from the poster that said people would ‘just go and buy Nikes’ if they had more money is probably one of the stupidest comments I’ve read on here in a while.

It's not entitled to expect to have disposable income when you work solidly.

you can complain and demand all you like but the only way you'll actually get rich is by being very good consistently in a highly paid job, so make sure your own children make those life choices. It has been proven that communism does not work.

I agree with you OP.

So many people on previous threads saying 'well back in the 70s' or 'during the war'. We're a rich country. Not at war. It is insulting to basically suggest that to prop up the wealth of certain businesses and some people, we the Great British public should be adjusting OUR expectations. Because the guidance isn't - stop buying caviar. It's stop buying free range eggs, buy dry goods in bulk if you can, if you can't heat your house, go out to free venues that will be heated.

I don't mind paying taxes or NI. I support an increase in both, for the right people and to the right places. That doesn't include propping up the expenses MPs claim, recarpeting offices in the houses of commons, giving huge bonuses to management in the NHS who just shuffle round resources doing no good for no one.

I don't know what the answer is. But it shouldn't be for the common woman to have to scrimp even more than they do now.

Bettered by yourself here though. You clearly are utterly ignorant of economics, yet here you are pretending to understand.

If employers can’t find people to empty the bins because too many of them moved up, then they will have to pay higher wages.

Simple supply and demand. Your posts really are appalling, uneducated, entitled, poorly thought out.

So you want other people to work hard to produce food, housing, clothes, a television etc for you, but you don’t want to pay for it?

Why would anyone else want to go along with that?

What you are feeling is unearned entitlement. You can get in the bin.

This ^ Absolutely. You seem to love all of the things capitalism brings, holidays, lux goods etc. Make your mind up!

It's not binary. There is a blur between communism and Neo libralism

This is what I thought we should do.how easy is it to set up storage?surely we could get rid of any unnecessary light,energy usages like store fronts to store it for winter?or is there such a thing we could get solar storage? Sorry if I’m being thick.it’s stupidity rather than goady I promise😶

We are witnessing the transition to a new world order where China eventually ends up on top and rules the world.

We will become poorer and poorer as we’ve sold off all our assets in good times and not saved like Norway did with their oil. We have not invested in education and health ie. Our workforce and future economic prosperity.

The reason why? Our political system. It just doesn’t work. It’s short term thinking and lack of strategic thinking is growing everywhere. I despair in the professional world I’m in, so many people in strategic positions unable to to think strategically.

We’re bloated and about to die of a heart attack because we’ve not looked after ourselves.

No one is asking for communism, just capitalism in the European model rather than this mess the Tories have put in place.

A comparable German household is £8,800 better off than my family and the German economy will grow far more than Britain's - that sort of thing would do for me. I'm not asking for a revolution.

“Should” you have a better standard of living than a child collecting twigs for her family’s cooking fire? You don’t work harder than her, so why “should” you have a higher standard of living

Its not a race to the bottom. Greed prevents those who mine goods to be paid a proper wage for their work. I expect many people who do so also feel ‘entitled’ to more money than they receive. Perhaps they should all just work a little harder, become mine owners and stop bloody moaning.

Well what's your solution then?

Most people though are politically and economically uneducated

They can only see extremes.

What we had under Blair and even to some degree what one nation conservatism offered supported the economy but individuals. Nothing is perfect, there is no perfect system in the world at all but the best models look at ensuring that public services are well funded, fit for purpose, preventative which knock on effects mean that the public physical health and mental health is better, the populace is better educated, crime is lower, instability caused by unaffordable housing is minimised and support services for the vulnerable are accessible.

Those things are what I want. Couldnt give a toss about new cars etc.

Heart attack good analogy

Yanbu.

I agree we shouldn't have to give up little luxuries, life is miserable enough.

Unfortunately people won't have any choice but to forfeit luxuries with price increases.

If employers can’t find people to empty the bins because too many of them moved up, then they will have to pay higher wages

And the restaurants, clothes shops, gadgets shops etc? How will all those businesses continue to pay people more to work there when nobody can afford to buy anything anymore?

If people on average wages can no longer afford a few luxuries, due to the escalating cost of living then I don't blame them at all if they choose to claim benefits

Why? Why should a healthy full time worker have to claim benefits? They should be paid a living way and not need access to top ups - these big companies have been creaming off the top for years under the guise of minimum wages.

I agree OP it’s no right that people should be paying these ridiculous prices for basic living costs.

The rich understand that they can only enjoy their quality of life if the poor aren’t too poor or at least if the majority of middle income earners are still enjoying some quality of life. So I’m sure the rich are also pretty worried about the economy. I see no point in trying to bring down the elite. Most of those have made their money through illegal means anyway and will have laundered it into Swiss bank accounts.

What did you think was the outcome of right wing conservatism OP, if not this?

Carefullycourageous We are an anglo German family who choose to live in the UK for a number of reasons. Germany is heading into an absolutely appalling winter with power cuts making an enormous dent in GDP and social morale, and Merkel's lack of foresight coming home to roost. Our lives are immeasurably better here (and already were before the Ukraine conflict).
Here's an example for you: today the German papers are reporting that every family will get support of Eur 340 to help with energy bills. At the same time, they have established a fund to support energy companies to be funded by an additional few cents per KW/H by all consumers. The VAT alone on that increase will cost the average family EUR 1400 p.a.
Politicians everywhere are way out of their depth.

The rich understand that they can only enjoy their quality of life if the poor aren’t too poor or at least if the majority of middle income earners are still enjoying some quality of life

Exactly this. The haulage industry is a prime example. HGV drivers able to demand a higher wage but many firms are failing as not enough drivers to keep them going If too many people at the bottom are unable to see rewards for their work the whole house of cards will come falling down.