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DS's pants & shorts found down the loo after swimming lesson

109 replies

BearBirdBaboon · 10/08/2022 23:50

AIBU that more should have been done about the incident I've detailed below? (Sorry, it's quite long.)

My DS has his swimming lessons at the pool of an independent school, where the swimming lessons are run by an outside company. The changing rooms are therefore the kind you get at schools, as opposed to leisure centres with lockers. My DS got changed before his swimming lesson and left his bag in the changing room during his lesson, as he has always done. When his lesson had finished, he couldn't find his pants and shorts. Another little boy found them in the loo and alerted a member of staff. My DS was clearly very upset by the incident.

The swimming instructors around that evening said they would report the incident to the regional director. I expected to have been contacted by the director within a few days of the incident, after an investigation. However, I was not contacted and it was not until I mentioned to DS's swimming instructor the week after the incident that I hadn't been contacted, that I was finally sent an email.

There were perhaps, at most, only three to five other families with boys who could have been in the changing rooms getting changed after their lesson, while my DS was having his lesson, so it wouldn't have taken much effort to have contacted those families to ask for details from potential witnesses and hopefully find the culprit. I'm furious that this was not done. This is an extract from the email I received:

"We have received reports back from the staff working at the pool that evening, and have tried to work out which children may have had access to the changing room at that time. The majority of children swimming were girls and for those boys who did attend we tried to ascertain which ones changed poolside with their parents and who was in the changing room. There was of course the young boy who reported the incident to our 'swimming instructor'. However, with absences we have been unable to 100% confirm who else including siblings or other spectators who may have been in there.

This is clearly upsetting for you and your son, and we do appreciate that. We have emailed parents who attend on that evening to reiterate the behaviour expected of everyone attending our lessons in the hope that a reminder might make the person responsible think about their actions. Beyond this we unfortunately can’t accuse anyone without being more certain that they may have been involved.

I know 'swimming instructor' suggested that it might be a good idea for your DS to bring his bag back to you on poolside once he is changed and collect it again on his way back to the changing room following his lesson - that way his clothes won’t be left unattended."

I don't feel enough has been done to ascertain who put my DS's clothes down the loo, which is truly disgusting behaviour. Is there anything I can do about this? If so, what? What would you do? (I would like to move them elsewhere, but having rung round, I've found that nowhere else can offer lessons at the time we're able to do them.)

OP posts:
ashitghost · 11/08/2022 01:26

Poor lad. That’s a really shitty thing to do.

fUNNYfACE36 · 11/08/2022 01:34

Ita just a silly prank, not bullying,

PseudonymPolly · 11/08/2022 01:34

it wouldn't have taken much effort to have contacted those families to ask for details from potential witnesses and hopefully find the culprit

Oh op 🙈

Not a nice experience for your dc but seriously. A search for witnesses? You've been watching too much Law & Order.

Their response and actions are spot on. No, there is nothing else you can (or should) do. The matter is closed.

Randomthoughts992 · 11/08/2022 01:54

Id be pissed off but not sure why your acting as if some kid pulled a knife out on your son... It was a kid who thought he was being funny and the pool cant tell who it was, what do you want them to do about it? phone the police? Threaten them to find out who the culprit is? and what then? Kick them out of swimming lessons? -_- Stop giving too much of a fuck about things.

jumperoozles · 11/08/2022 02:51

Honestly their job is not a detective! They have other things to actually do. Response sounds reasonable. It’s a crap thing to happen but unless it keeps happening it’s time to move on now.

AMIAMIBU · 11/08/2022 03:10

Reasonable response I think.

portinahurry · 11/08/2022 03:14

OriginalLilibet · 10/08/2022 23:57

OP, move on. You are massively over thinking this. The response from the lesson provider is entirely reasonable.

Agree.

drawacircleroundit · 11/08/2022 03:28

Without witnesses coming forward, I don’t think you can hope for much more. It’s infuriating, but there are vindictive children around, and there are lovely children around - and the potential to accuse the wrong one in a situation like this is high.

HoppingPavlova · 11/08/2022 05:04

Not sure what else they could have done short of a forensics team or lie detector tests? What happened wasn’t great but seriously, how do you think they can find the culprit given the access to the change room?

onlythreenow · 11/08/2022 05:10

What on earth do you think they should do? I think their response has been more than adequate, and you really are making much more of this than you need to. Let it go.

Watchamocauli · 11/08/2022 06:25

How about OP starts putting other child’s clothes down the lol? In fact the same people who were swimming with him the last time.

Would those thinking OP is going overboard with her reaction see this as harmless fun?
Surely everyone can then ignore and move on.

TickTockBaby · 11/08/2022 06:28

I'm surprised by the replies here, such nastiness.

I understand you'd be upset by this OP and hope your DS is ok.

I appreciate the delay in getting a reply is frustrating and it's easy to feel, understandably, upset on your DS behalf. I do agree the suggested solution in their response feels reasonable and probably the best that can be offered.

Is their away you can perhaps speak with the other swim parents, in conversation not confrontationally?

This helped me when my DD was having trouble at school, I thought it was focused bullying toward her but after speaking with other parents we discovered it was actually not personal, but child causing issues for lots of children in class- which helped us mediate our response more effectively.

TickTockBaby · 11/08/2022 06:29

fUNNYfACE36 · 11/08/2022 01:34

Ita just a silly prank, not bullying,

Are people still promoting this absolute tosh?!!!?

TickTockBaby · 11/08/2022 06:30

TickTockBaby · 11/08/2022 06:28

I'm surprised by the replies here, such nastiness.

I understand you'd be upset by this OP and hope your DS is ok.

I appreciate the delay in getting a reply is frustrating and it's easy to feel, understandably, upset on your DS behalf. I do agree the suggested solution in their response feels reasonable and probably the best that can be offered.

Is their away you can perhaps speak with the other swim parents, in conversation not confrontationally?

This helped me when my DD was having trouble at school, I thought it was focused bullying toward her but after speaking with other parents we discovered it was actually not personal, but child causing issues for lots of children in class- which helped us mediate our response more effectively.

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oobeedoobee · 11/08/2022 06:55

OP you're overreacting massively here to what is, in all probability, simply a stupid prank.

Stuff like this happens. It's been reported, and the 'culprit' will know not to do it again, so now you move on. Explain to your child that it was someones idea of a funny 'prank', and encourage them to forget about it, because if you're making it a huge deal, then so will he.

Kids are very cruel, and I'm sure this won't be the only nasty 'incident' either you or your child will witness/endure during his childhood years. However, it's up to you to show them that some things are simply not worth upsetting yourself over, you simply do the 'right thing' and report it, then place it firmly behind you having learned from the 'experience'.

Plantpotpetal · 11/08/2022 06:59

I wouldn’t go back and I wouldn’t recommend them to others either. Vote with your feet and find somewhere better. How nasty! I’d also expect to be reimbursed for the ruined clothes.

JasmineIndigo · 11/08/2022 07:00

I would be very annoyed in your situation however I think the response from the company was fine - what more can they do? Sounds like you are out for cold blooded revenge on the perpetrator which is slightly OTT - young children do impulsive and inexplicable things sometimes and it may not even have been a personal slight to your son.

Greycatclub · 11/08/2022 07:05

The response is fine, there’s no way to identify who did it. It’s down to the parents to talk to the children and you can’t police that.

rwalker · 11/08/2022 07:21

Get a grip they can't interrogate every kid who was there and unless someone confesses they'd never find out.

Out of interest if you were the swimming school dealing with this what would you of done to solve the crime seen as you think there response was so poor.

Soontobe60 · 11/08/2022 07:21

TickTockBaby · 11/08/2022 06:29

Are people still promoting this absolute tosh?!!!?

What is bullying?
Bullying is unwanted, aggressive behavior among school aged children that involves a real or perceived power imbalance. The behavior is repeated, or has the potential to be repeated, over time. Bullying includes actions such as making threats, spreading rumors, attacking someone physically or verbally, and excluding someone from a group on purpose.
To put this into a more kid-friendly definition of bullying, you could say that:
Bullying is when you keep picking on someone because you think you’re cooler, smarter, stronger or better than them.
Repetition and an Imbalance of Power Make Bullying Unique
There are two components in the above definitions of bullying for kids that make bullying unique.
Bullying is a repetitive act that occurs over time. This differentiates bullying from aggressive acts that occur only once.
Bullying involves an imbalance of power between the bully and the victim

A random one off incident where one unknown person commits an act against another unknown person isn’t bullying. That doesn’t mean it’s ok. It still has an impact on the victim. It’s important to be clear with children about what bullying is and, importantly, what it isn’t.

Theluggage15 · 11/08/2022 07:28

It’s not bullying unless it happens every week. Calling everything bullying minimises the seriousness of actual bullying. Really not sure what you expect OP, they’ve done all they can do and suggested a solution.

Sally872 · 11/08/2022 07:28

Yabu. Reiterating expected behaviour seems fine.

Understand it is upsetting for your son, I would keep clothes in a bag so he isn't worrying about it happening again.

BogRollBOGOF · 11/08/2022 07:34

It's a sensible, proportionate response from the swimming provider. There is little practical action left to be taken.

Yes, it's distressing for your son, and I say that as the mother of a child who'd have gone into full autistic meltdown at the disruption of routine/ expectation, sensory issues of wearing the wrong clothes, and disgust that his clothes had been found in the toilets. We'd pay a heavy consequence for a dumbshit prank (and as a one-off that is what it is as bullying is ongoing incidents which this is not)

Keep the clothes with you in the future and consider this incident done for now. There's nothing else to be done if it remains an isolated occurence.

MrsRobinsonsHandprints · 11/08/2022 07:35

Whilst I doubt this happened I do agree that it isn't bullying and the trend to label everything as bullying doesn't help those that really are bullied.

Becky6758 · 11/08/2022 07:35

This can’t be serious …

You wanted the director to contact you… with a full on investigation.

Should he come down and personally interview every family? Would that please you…

jesus… get a grip. it’s a prank by another school boy.

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