DD transgender

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With no gender dysphoria?
DD 13 says she’s lesbian which DH and I are okay with. However she now claims to be a ‘trans masculine’ and doesn’t have gender dysphoria but says she feels happier as a boy. It doesn’t make sense to me. I do support trans people but isn’t dysphoria an entry level requirement?

Wtf is acceptable about 12 year olds proclaiming to be "lesbian" ?

Seems that even your DD was expecting more of a reaction/attention to that statement. Got none but a nod. So here comes the next instalment in creative attention seeking.

My exDPs fifteen year old lesbian daughter is onto her second boyfriend now 🙄 Kids these days....

You refer to the 2012/2013 Tumblr Cohort - I just missed it I think, but I'd equally suggest neither are you. You've said there are plenty of first hand accounts out there that I'm "more than likely" ignoring or dismissing anything which doesn't conform to what I think I already know; but I've equally just provided a first hand account of my own experience which I've decided to dismiss.

Offering an alternative perspective is not the same as invalidating your experience. Some people may have been swept up in social contagion caused by exposure to certain internet forums and you were clearly unaware and have no experience of that. I believe both you and the detransitioners who report what happened to them.

Pointing out you were not part of the 2012/2013 Tumblr cohort is simply a way of explaining why you may not have encountered the phenomenon I am taking about. I didn't need to be part of that cohort to know about it because I've read and heard the first hand accounts.

I'm not saying that you're wrong; I'm saying I'm struggling to see how this widespread conversion is happening and being orchestrated and how we're brainwashing kids in this way... which is the question I asked. If you don't have the answer, that's fine. Just say that.

I've been following the progress of this ideology for about 5 years now so its hard to just give you a couple of pointers about where to get information. If I was to try you would have a reading list a mile long but honestly despite claiming you really want to understand I don't actually think you do. There really is no shortage of information out there from news reports to book to documentaries to interviews. A genuinely curious person would already have harnessed the power of the internet to inform themselves.

I don't think that gay conversion is the objective of gender ideology but surely you can see how transitioning might appeal to a confused teenager who may not have the best support network. Please read the reports from Tavistock whistle blowers to understand more. There are plenty of YouTube videos of some of the clinicians being interview. Here's one to get to started.

Stating the basic science that humans cannot change sex is not anti trans.

My exDPs fifteen year old lesbian daughter is onto her second boyfriend now

Same for eldest DD friends who were lesbian, pan, trans, only one I thought was gay, is still gay. They rest were just jumping on the band wagon for a label.

Gender ideology is homophobic and sexist.

Women can wear what they want. It doesn't make them the opposite sex.

These idiots think that whoever wears the dress is a woman.

Your DD is just starting to explore her sexuality so just support her in that. But I would get on top of the sexist crap this ideology is brain washing her with.

I suggest you watch some Magdalen Burns on YouTube (RIP) she tells it how it is. But also have a look at transgendertrend.com lots of useful advice.

I don’t see how this proves anything, yes for some teens its a passing phase while they’re trying to figure out who they are but for the majority of lgbtq+ people it isn’t. Just because you know a few teens that grew out of it doesn’t mean it’ll be the same for all.
My aunt came out as lesbian almost 20 years ago, she was told back then it was a phase and she’ll grow out of it, she’s now been married to a women for coming up to 7 years. I went through a few stages, bisexual, lesbian, straight, and then back to bisexual which I still am 10 years later, thank god my mum let me figure it out myself and supported me along the way instead of belittling me.

Also find it very weird you’d use pansexual as an example, unless they’ve told you themselves they’re no longer pan I suggest you look up the definition. Being in a relationship with someone of the opposite gender doesn’t make someone no longer bi/pan.

Wtf is acceptable about 12 year olds proclaiming to be "lesbian" ?

I don’t understand the outrage here.
It’s quite normal for a child that age or younger to have crushes - generally on their classmates or celebrities often - it’s a very standard part of being prepubescent. If you’re a girl and your crush is a girl, or multiple girls, and you are not interested in any boys, it’s not a stretch to assume you are a lesbian. What’s unacceptable about recognising your own feelings and inclinations?
Many gay people will tell you that they knew from a very early age that they were not straight. There’s nothing ‘what the fuck’ about it.

As you’re so informed, I assume you also consider spaces that challenge your world view - because you wouldn’t allow yourself to get caught up in an echo chamber.

Absolutely, in fact I'd go so far as to say that I was resistant to the idea that there was anything sinister or concerning about gender ideology. You were probably still in nappies when I first met a trans person. I had a long and entirely positive relationship with that person and fully supported them through their complete transition. I was delighted for them when they got their GRC. However, that was nearly 30 years ago and things have changed. I tried to maintain my liberal credentials by ignoring the mounting evidence that all was not what it seemed which I thought was just people trying to find a way to live at peace with their bodies. That is still the truth for some but it is not for many others.

I do not believe an internet craze which leads people down the path towards irreversible surgery, sterility and loss of sexual function is harmless. The detrans subreddit had 36000 members when I last looked about a month ago and that had grown from 28000 the month before that. I cannot shrug my shoulders and just say, "oh well, some people make mistakes" when we know that many of the teens caught up in this trend are very vulnerable. We know that many of the teenagers seeking to transition have ASD, co-morbid mental health problems, a history of childhood trauma including sexual abuse or they are questioning their sexuality. We also know that there is a lack of robust evidence for medical and surgical intervention in minors experiencing gender dysphoria. The quality of the evidence for adults isn't great either. We owe it to teenagers to find a better way to help them navigate the challenges of adolescence in the modern world. The best evidence available at the moment suggests that supportive, watchful waiting is preferable to affirmation.

I have some thoughts on the conspiracy issue but they are not fully formed. I think it's interesting that the prevalence of gender confused teenagers seems to be higher in western developed nations, those with easy internet access. I think it would be naïve to reject the possibility that the two things may be related.

I'm including this open letter from parents to the AAP because it contains lots of informative links.

genspect.org/an-open-letter-to-the-american-academy-of-pediatrics/

This is a link to an interview with a detransitioner currently suing the NHS for the appalling care they received.

This is another account from a detransitioner.

mobile.twitter.com/imwatson91/status/1556633208288059392

There is a Twitter account called gays against groomers which you might find interesting but despite being able to copy other Twitter links I can't with that one, which is weird.

BTW my friend was very happy with their transition but then they made the decision as an adult after several years of therapy.