that the Man who killed a burglar he saw breaking into his house should not be jailed for 19 years

[LargeDeviation]

He saw the man breaking into his house on a video doorbell, armed himself with a knife and went with his half-brother and killed the burglar. He has been jailed for 19 years.

Yes the violence he used was very extreme, but the burglar was breaking into his home! It is unreasonable to expect a dispassionate response. People should be able to defend their home and their family from intruders, including using force which would be considered unlawful or unreasonable in other settings.

Even if he must be found guilty by law, the sentence should take the circumstances into account and it should be a slap on the wrist.

No. He killed someone. His life was not in danger. He had no fear of his life being in danger. It was not a knee jerk reaction.

He deliberately set out to murder someone.

Life, even that of a would be burglar, is more important than stuff. He deserves to be in prison for a very long time.

Neither he nor his family were at home or in danger. He armed himself, took backup, went home and in cold blood stabbed the intruder in the face, then chased him, caught him, and finished the job.

That is not in any way OK. That is psychotic.

I don't think a home is worth a human life. The man wasn't attacking or threatening the homeowner. Death is too extreme a price to pay for burglary.

Er, no, I’d say killing a burglar in self defence would be understandable, but arming yourself with a knife and going out to kill is actually murder.

I'm sorry but the law already is very much on homeowners side in this case.

However, you simply cannot have a society where someone proactively goes to stab someone who hasn't threatened them in any way. If the burglar HAD threatened him, he would absolutely not be convicted of murder for stabbing him.

In these cases, there is always more to it. The famous case of the man, I forget his name, who shot an intruder and everyone went all Daily Mail about it, what actually happened is he lay in wait and then shot a teenage boy who was running AWAY from his house, with an illegally owned weapon.

Repeatedly stabbing him in the face and neck?
Why didn’t he just phone the police!?
Its not as if he or any of his family was in the house. It was just possessions.
No, of course burglary is not OK but I don’t think viciously murdering someone fixes anything.

If he had been in the house at the time, then I would agree with you.

As it is, he wasn’t. He is a dangerous man who committed murder, and has been sentenced accordingly.

This is what happens when the police are useless IMO. If he knew he could phone the police and they'd be straight round and arrest the burglar and he'd go to jail then he might have phoned the police instead. He deserved to go to jail though as he was in no danger and the violence was extreme but not that long IMO as he's not a danger to people who aren't breaking into his house (I assume).

He armed himself to kill. He's a killer. 19 years is fine. YABVU.

The motivation for the burglary was the drug stash the man convicted of the unlawful killing was believed to have in his house. This isn’t an example of a homeowner misjudging what’s reasonable in self defence for which some compassion might be required at all.

This effectively means you think we should have the death penalty for burglary. Robbing someone's house is a crime that does not equate to murder.

Your reading comprehension and critical thinking skills need serious improvement if you can read this story and think this man's actions are in any way acceptable.

Hearing a noise at night, going downstairs and nailing an intruder with a cricket bat? Fine.

Realising your home is being burgled while you're not there, gathering backup, picking a weapon, going over there and stabbing a man in the face? That's murder.

I didn’t know that, but suspected something like that.

So this was a violent man sending a message.

You break into my house, you leave your human rights at the door.

He deserved to go to jail though as he was in no danger and the violence was extreme but not that long IMO as he's not a danger to people who aren't breaking into his house (I assume).

I would say that anyone who could pick up a knife and plan to go kill somebody is very much a danger to everyone.

That is not in any way OK. That is psychotic.

This. I'm glad he's not walking around right now.

OP, these responses give really good reasons why he got that sentence. Perhaps you didn't know all the details when you wrote your first post.

Now you know the facts have you changed your mind?

He didn't phone the police because the burglars were after his stash of class A & B drugs that he was dealing.

And after he stabbed him multiple times, he then chased him down the street when he tried to get away and continued to stab him repeatedly.

I'd say the sentence was spot on.

He was with another person, another male, to defend his home. His response was disproportionate to the threat. The perceived threat was outside his home. There is no 'stand your ground' defence in the UK as I understand it. There is a difference between the sentencing for burglary, and for taking another person's life for a reason. He mades his choices, he paid the price. You could say the same about the burglar, I guess.

Budget John Wayne arrived.

This is not self defence. His sentence is correct, if not on the lighter side.

Having just read the news article on this, I think you must be either trolling or actually crazy to think this man deserves a “slap on the wrist” for what he did.

You can say that while you’re sat in a prison cell.

Is that the society you really want to live in @LargeDeviation ? Someone does something wrong so it's ok to set off and murder them? So I spot someone sneak their hand into my purse and take my bank card. I can wait until they have their back to me, then improvise with a broken bottle or rock and smash their head in? What if some kid at school pushes my son over? That's worse than theft. Can I arm my son and let him kill the other kid?

He deserves 19 years let's hope he serves all of them. The burglar didn't deserve to die although I wouldn't spend much time feeling sad for the him as he was no saint himself.