that the Man who killed a burglar he saw breaking into his house should not be jailed for 19 years

[LargeDeviation]

He saw the man breaking into his house on a video doorbell, armed himself with a knife and went with his half-brother and killed the burglar. He has been jailed for 19 years.

Yes the violence he used was very extreme, but the burglar was breaking into his home! It is unreasonable to expect a dispassionate response. People should be able to defend their home and their family from intruders, including using force which would be considered unlawful or unreasonable in other settings.

Even if he must be found guilty by law, the sentence should take the circumstances into account and it should be a slap on the wrist.

OP, in UK law you are absolutely allowed to use lethal force against a burglar, so long as you believe that your life is at risk and you believe lethal force is proportionate.

Burglar comes around the corner and you whack them with a bat and they fall down the stairs and break their neck? Fine.

Burglar is in the garden and you go get your chainsaw out of the garage and run after them for some leg chopping? Not fine.

When you act in a way that could be deemed unlawful, you have to be prepared to be held accountable for your actions. That means that the burglar should have been prepared to be caught and held accountable for burglary, and the killer should have been prepared to be caught and held accountable for killing. Oh, and his illegal drugs stash, apparently.

The killer was in no way in fear of his life. Self defence is therefore ruled out as a defence. He was just in fear of his stash.

You should read up on the laws of self-defence. You are talking nonsense.

He enthusiastically went towards confrontation when doing so was wholly unnecessary - self-defence fail.
He pre-armed himself - another self-defence fail.

This was not self-defence, it was violent vigilantism.

So where's your line? I break into your house, you get to murder me in cold blood. What about your car? Your purse? A bank card? Does it matter if I used it to spend thousands or not? Is it ok to stab me in the face in a cold blooded and planned attach for me stealing a tenner from you? Or is it just a boundary issue? If I walk in without invitation and leave with no harm committed do I still deserve to be murdered?

There was a lot more to the story, he knew the burglar, it was a drug gang related killing.

A slap on the wrist for killing someone when it isn't self-defence? No, I don't agree that's right.

Any normal person would call the police, not arm themselves and go out to murder someone.

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They're not, they're talking about this www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-62439803

A man saw someone break into his house on the Ring doorbell then he and his half brother armed themselves with knives, went home and stabber the burglar in his head, face, arms and neck.

Agreed. Terrifying someone in their home is an abhorrent crime but if you're seeking the revenge that's not ok.

Still, 19 years is more than others get for murder etc. who are more or equally as deserving.

If the man took him by surprise and he panicked and reached for the knife - then I don’t think he should have got that long.

But he saw what was happening - he could have phoned the police as the man was breaking in.
He could have also armed himself with a knife just incase but still didn’t need to attack him.

If someone broke into my house I too would kill them as I’d want to protect my DD at any cost but I know that I would be done for murder.

He should have gotten longer tbh but sentencing for murder in the UK is a joke. It was clearly murder, he could have scared Brophy off just by being there with his accomplice and a knife but he wanted to send a message about his big drug dealer status.

I agree with you and have zero sympathy for the burglar. Don’t be a thief and you won’t be at risk of making the homeowner come after you 🤷‍♀️

Does anyone have some reliable news source saying that this man being burgled was a drug dealer protecting his drugs? If that is indeed the case then he deserves to be jailed.

However I still think it is right that 'normal' law abiding citizens should be allowed to use disproportionate force (even when it's premeditated) to protect their house.

However if it was just a normal person defending their home, I think they are allowed to be 'unreasonable' in their behaviour. I think it's a very understandable reaction to defend your property, and to make a plan to defend your property. It's worrying that you think it would be fine for you to take a weapon and back up and go and murder someone who has broken into your home and to continue to try to take their life even once they're out of your home. As you're so keen on a plan, perhaps ask around your family and friends to see who you could call upon you to come with you and see what response you get?

"..... and the courts locked them up promptly....."
@LargeDeviation - do you know that the criminal justice system has been seriously underfunded for years. Take your complaint to Dominic Raab MP (current SofS for Justice and Lord Chancellor) - both victims and offenders need access to prompt justice but that's not going to happen with the way this (and previous) governments have driven the court service in to the ground.

www.lawsociety.org.uk/contact-or-visit-us/press-office/press-releases/unacceptable-delays-will-continue-without-urgent-funding

He didn’t stumble onto the burglary. He saw the burglars on his phone through the doorbell cam app, he armed himself with a knife, he got someone else with a knife to accompany him and they went to his house. He went out of his way to have an armed confrontation with the burglars.

A knife isn’t a defensive weapon. He didn’t take a baseball bat that could be used to fend someone off. He chose a weapon that meant getting up close to the burglars. He stabbed the man more than once, then chased him off the property and then stabbed the man again.

He was convicted of manslaughter not murder. That sounds very reasonable to me.

However I still think it is right that 'normal' law abiding citizens should be allowed to use disproportionate force (even when it's premeditated) to protect their house.
What about my car? My purse? My pushbike? My kid? Can I go and stab a 10 year old in the face and neck until he'd dead if he pinches my son's favourite pencil out of his bag, pushes him over and calls him a turd head?

So where's your line? I break into your house, you get to murder me in cold blood. What about your car? Your purse? A bank card? Does it matter if I used it to spend thousands or not?

If you take the risk of burglarising a house, you accept this possibility. When you rob a house, the occupants fear for their lives, their family. If a terrified and vulnerable homeowner killed a burglar (they don't know it's ' just' a burglar anyway) then... it's definitely justified to say the least. Within reason, as self defence, obviously.

(Not talking about this specific case).

Has anyone here actually called the police recently for a burglary or mugging or similar?

They are useless - you'll get a number or piece of paper for insurance and that's it.

Agree with this. The killer is very violent to do that. Burglary =/= murder. Property =/= life.

Mugging is different. This was just a domestic burglary. Murder is murder.

However I still think it is right that 'normal' law abiding citizens should be allowed to use disproportionate force (even when it's premeditated) to protect their house.

What a great way to get rid of a spouse you don't like. You hear the bugger fumbling at the door, he stumbles in, you clock him with a poker, or stab him with a cleaver.

What about when a kid sneaks in, and the parent wasn't aware they were out? Bash him about the head, who cares about proportionate defence and fear for life, and find you've offed your own kid.

Sometimes the law tries to give a restraint to peoples' actions that perhaps they are unwilling or unable to.

Christ how lazy are you?

You started a thread about something you know nothing about, and now you wan't other people to do your Googling for you?

Hilarious 😂

There's already one link on this thread

Cringe.

No, that's not the case. And as proven by this sentence if you take the law into your own hands then you will be dealt with accordingly.

Either way 2 less scumbags on the streets