Are you a feminist, if yes, what does it mean to you?

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YANBU = I’m am
YABU = I am not

For me

Its not having your choices and options in life limited by what kind of genitals you have.

It's a tough one, because I agree with you that women with penises should have the same choices and options as me. But still I struggle to see them as real women if I'm honest.

Men with feminine attributes are ridiculed because they’re seen to share attributes with women - it’s the social gender aspect that’s the reason for ridicule, not the sex.

Yes, that's underlying misogyny directed towards men who are not overtly masculine, because they perceive women as weak and inferior. Still based on sex.

Trans women could completely eliminate that increased risk by presenting as male.

@risefromyourgrave I’m so sorry for your experience.

I am also very interested to hear @NalaNana and @electricdreaming’s response to it.

no actual biological reason women have to be the primary care givers to children

Well, unless we have access to formula milk then yes, women do sort of have to be the primary care giver to babies because of biology. No biological need when the child is older though.

Can you not "cis" people please?

It's offensive.

It means all men are big, stupid twats. Only half joking.

I agree to an extent - but nobody actually KNOWS you have a vagina do they, before discriminating against you?

Well, the male doctors certainly did. And I was pregnant, so my employers certainly knew. I am sure that some people just assumed, but I do think you are posing a very weak argument that it is about 'presentation and the assumption of sex' and again, as per another poster, your argument relies on transitioned males 'passing'.

And what about females who present as 'butch'? Do you honestly believe that they are not discriminated against just the same?

no actual biological reason women have to be the primary care givers to children

On this, we totally agree. However, due to breastfeeding decisions, and that pesky pay disparity, it most likely is that caring responsbilities fall into the domain of females.

”CIS” black women

No, just black women, as distinct from black MTF trans people.

MTF trans people are of course much less likely to be murdered than either women or their own sex, in this country anyway. So it would be strange if the lower level non-sexual assault rate was completely different.

But I thought men made up 70% of homicide victims? So unless you see transwomen as being biologically female they surely experience much greater risk just by vitrue of being male.

Hi, I’m really sorry to hear about your experience and honestly, I can’t give you an answer. I think part of the problem with the trans debate is that it does open the door for individuals who don’t really identify as trans, but see it as a cop out or a way to almost get away with doing terrible things to people, or to gain access to vulnerable people. That’s why I don’t think there is a clear cut way to “deal” with the trans problem, sorry I’m finding it difficult to choose my words appropriately here. I think there are risks to opening the door to anyone who wakes up one day and calls themselves a woman.

Due to their perceived masculinity - when they have higher levels of testosterone for example, they are banned from competing.

Could you please list the females from your thesis research that have been banned from competing please? Because I am keen to see that list. I have never found a list of females affected in this way.

And what level of testosterone are they being banned for having please?

This is very interesting.

Because they’re called “trans women” doesn’t mean they’re not also women.

Having a male body that might have undergone some medical treatment that makes it look more like female body but that functions more like a male body than a female one... that does mean they're not also women.

That's one reason why they are called "trans women" not "women" - to reflect the fact that transwomen still physically have more in common with men than women.

And psychologically too. There's not a huge difference psychologically between men and women in any case, but the differences that do exist are no different from the general population of men (for transwomen) and women (for transmen). They don't change with medical or social transition either.

If you want to say trans women aren’t women you should come up with a better argument than simply because there’s another word before woman.

Done. See above.

CIS” black women. Biological black women. Due to their perceived masculinity - when they have higher levels of testosterone for example, they are banned from competing

Can you name any?

Hence why I put “cis” in speech marks - I didn’t know how else to differentiate those women from trans women without causing offence either way.

Here’s the result of a quick Google search on black women being banned from sporting events based on testosterone levels www.lgbtqnation.com/2021/07/two-cis-black-women-banned-olympics-natural-testosterone-levels/

Serendipitously, you’ve actually just managed it in this ^^ very post. ⭐️

If you want to say trans women aren’t women you should come up with a better argument than simply because there’s another word before woman.

Trans women are men because they’re biological men.

A set of sexist stereotype traits does not a woman make.

HTH.

I’ve posted a link - I don’t know if this is sarcastic or not but it isn’t that widely reported. Black women have a history of being compared to men or having a perceived masculinity and are victims of misogynoir.

But I thought men made up 70% of homicide victims? So unless you see transwomen as being biologically female they surely experience much greater risk just by vitrue of being male.

Yes, men do. MTF trans people have a negligible risk of murder compared to other members of their sex. Not all male people are trans, are they?

These are both males with differences of sex development.

You say you have done a thesis on this. Can you provide a list from your research.

This is not sarcasm.

I am genuinely asking to see examples of who you are referring to. Because I have seen this posted before and never has it been females banned. It has been males with differences in sex development.

As someone who has done a thesis on the subject, I expect that you have a list of who this has happened to. I am always keen to read more research on this topic, and on many other topics concerning females.

Sorry what defines them as males please? My thesis was about trans people not black women in sports but did touch on this as a comparison between the two, therefore I do not have “a list” of every black female athlete banned from competing. Literally Google black women banned from sporting events and you’ll find a plethora.

Black women have a history of being compared to men or having a perceived masculinity and are victims of misogynoir.

Yes. I agree.