To think the able bodied / mind/ non carer/ non low wage s worker on benefits, benefit population that claim benefits should contribute somehow to the community/ get the money for WORK .

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Yes this may be costly to set up such as enhanced dbs checks etc.

I feel that this would both give a purpose and a contribution. And lead to jobs possibly/ develop cv / show work ethic.

In addition , it may stop the resentment and the benefit bashing if the claimants are seen to be contributing to society.

This is not necessarily a tory notion.
Karl Marxs idea about each to ones own ability... encompasses this idea of people working together for the whole of society accordi ng to ability. A quick google implies this is actually a socilaist idea of all doing what they can . This is what i am suggesting.

And before anyone says they would be pushed into things.. maybe there could be a choice of ways to contribute ,like on a data base.

Also, I am a cleaner myself. I literally clean poo off loos. I do not feel less worthy than others . I do the job because I can no longer work in my profession , as I get older, ( burnt out nhs) and see nothing but value in my ( ? Seen as some,lowly work). It gives me structure, a decent wage, and I contribute. All good. No shame in doing a good job , whatever that job if it is in my ability.

How can this idea, properly managed be other than reasonable. ?

I completely agree op.

There is already so many schemes like this in place after 6 months signing on they send you on placements for 30 hours a week or training courses the only extra they pay out is for travel my friend ended up at a doggie daycare for 6 months before getting a permanent job else where

Most working people working increasingly hard and unable to pay their bills bring forced to
support healthy able people perfectly capable of with but choosing not to work is going to be increasingly unacceptable!

You think that jobs should be taken away from people who currently have them, and given to people who are forced to do the same work for £77pw?

And those forced into unemployment by this will likely end up doing the same work they were doing for a proper wage, for £77pw?

Why do you think this? Are you perhaps an employer who stands to benefit from a drastically reduced wage bill?

I used to work with a charity in London that also had coop/reduced rent houses and flats (some right on the river Thames, amazing locations). One of their stipulations in the contracts was that the residents had to give back to the community. This might be in keeping the communal gardens neat, chairing resident meetings, helping with any repairs. It worked well and their was a great community identity.

Who was the winner in this? The doggie day care... they got 6 months of free labour.
How is this even legal?

It should be reduced to 12 weeks - so many jobs available atm

You being a cleaner and holding this position is really a testament to how pervasive the myths surrounding benefits, unemployed people are. The constant shows decrying benefit cheats and poverty porn of the 90s really did a number on a lot of people. A friend wondered how the tories are still in power and things like this really explain why.

It was great experience and worked! What’s not to love. No one should be paid to decline at home.

You can't 'choose not to work'.

(Cue you telling me about a family you know where nobody works but they can afford Sky TV/holidays to Florida/to have the Mona Lisa on their wall)

If there was work available, it should have been remunerated appropriately. Free labour is certainly not something 'to love', unless of course you're an unscrupulous employer who can avoid paying a wage for an honest day's work.

What if someone wants paid employment in doggie day care?

Due to £ being the main factor, in General most businesses want cheaper costs, and more profits, then if businesses were lean with how many employees were actually needed, that in it self means what to do with a large amount of society's population.

Overall it seems, society needs a whole new restructuring.

If there was 30 hours of work available at the doggy daycare then someone should have been paid NMW for it. If the slave labour hadn't been an option to the business they would haver had to pay someone a legal wage. The position wouldn't have dissapeared due to lack of free workers.

There's often a good reason why employers can't keep staff, and it had nothing to do with people claiming benefits.

More and more people are refusing to accept toxic workplaces and are rightfully leaving. Big staff turnover is a sign the place is either toxic to work, or that they're not paying enough to retain staff. Putting more people into that situation, who probably don't have the option to just leave, isn't the answer.

From the other thread about fruit picking, which didnt go so well for Op

There were around 803,000 people in the United Kingdom who had been unemployed for less than six months, compared with 129,000 unemployed for between 6 and 12 months, and 353,000 who were unemployed for more than a year

From
www.statista.com/statistics/284187/uk-unemployment-figures-by-length/

This is not many people. Take the 350k how many are disabled but have no support to claim? How many are near retirement and wont get a job anyway?
How many are carers? Etc. Etc.

If you are not happy supporting these few people I hope you never claim or claimed a penny in benefits. So no state pension for you eh.

I'm assuming that Mumsnet employees and moderators share the stance offered up by these benefit bashing posts, it is the only conceivable reason as to why they allow them to continue once they've been reported.

I'd like them to confirm one way to the other as, to be frank, of they continue to support and enable these threads, it shows MN is not the place for those claiming in work top up, disability, incapacity, child benefit, UC etc etc.
That'll be shop workers ,nurses, care staff, hospital porters, teaching assistants, janitors and more and more and more.

And I’m fed up of people defending people on benefits (other than the disabled etc). I think these people must either be really comfortable- made money in property or inheritance etc- or actually be on benefits themselves.

And fed up of these TV shows where people on benefits say something like “I’m not working for a penny under £25k as my benefits are £23k, so anything less wouldn’t be worth my while”, even though they have no qualifications.

No one says that...

There's a benefit cap. If you were actually informed you'd know that

www.gov.uk/benefit-cap/benefit-cap-amounts

Outside Greater London
The benefit cap outside Greater London is:

£384.62 per week (£20,000 a year) if you’re in a couple
£384.62 per week (£20,000 a year) if you’re a single parent and your children live with you
£257.69 per week (£13,400 a year) if you’re a single adult
Inside Greater London
The benefit cap inside Greater London is:

£442.31 per week (£23,000 a year) if you’re in a couple
£442.31 per week (£23,000 a year) if you’re a single parent and your children live with you
£296.35 per week (£15,410 a year) if you’re a single adult

I’d love to see some of these people doing that job for just one shift to see what some people actually do to get their money.

As someone who worked in care ( and loved it until I had a MH crisis) please no. We do not want to work with people who don't want to be there. They make our lives harder.

This had existed for decades. It's called "welfare to work".

The childcare company my niece worked at had six or seven people on one of those schemes. None of them were offered permanent jobs (the two jobs that were supposedly available while they were on the scheme) from it yet four of them were offered jobs when other permanent staff left.

Its an absolute scam for big companies to have free workers.

Don’t be ridiculous! It’s a free country with free speech not North Korea. MN are not expressing a view either way!l. We wouldn’t have a bloody forum if we deleted every thread that offended someone!