To think the able bodied / mind/ non carer/ non low wage s worker on benefits, benefit population that claim benefits should contribute somehow to the community/ get the money for WORK .

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Yes this may be costly to set up such as enhanced dbs checks etc.

I feel that this would both give a purpose and a contribution. And lead to jobs possibly/ develop cv / show work ethic.

In addition , it may stop the resentment and the benefit bashing if the claimants are seen to be contributing to society.

This is not necessarily a tory notion.
Karl Marxs idea about each to ones own ability... encompasses this idea of people working together for the whole of society accordi ng to ability. A quick google implies this is actually a socilaist idea of all doing what they can . This is what i am suggesting.

And before anyone says they would be pushed into things.. maybe there could be a choice of ways to contribute ,like on a data base.

Also, I am a cleaner myself. I literally clean poo off loos. I do not feel less worthy than others . I do the job because I can no longer work in my profession , as I get older, ( burnt out nhs) and see nothing but value in my ( ? Seen as some,lowly work). It gives me structure, a decent wage, and I contribute. All good. No shame in doing a good job , whatever that job if it is in my ability.

How can this idea, properly managed be other than reasonable. ?

Basicly you're wanting to introduce a costly, known to be ineffective, system to address a problem which doesn't actually exist.

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I think you're showing an ignorance of the benefits system.
Those that you are talking about will have to be adhering to specific commitments in order to receive their £334 a month.
If they fail to adhere to that they get sanctioned and money reduced. This can include job searches, attending the job centre at least once a week, courses etc. Being unemployed can feel like a full time job.

What you are proposing just takes jobs away from those who can do it and essentially gives free labour to the companies that sign up.
40% of universal credit claimants are in work. Yes some may be part time but others work full time but the salary is so low UC is needed to top up.

A better campaign would be to increase wages and make work a bigger motivator.

But what on earth makes you think they haven't already contributed? Maybe they have paid far more into the system than you OP?

The ignorance is astounding

Remploy was brilliant. Austerity has a lot to answer for.

who are the non-low wage workers on benefits? If they aren’t on low wages, they’re not going to qualify for means tested benefits.

Did you even try thinking any of this through in any meaningful way?

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And not some zero hours con.

There aren't many such people. Most benefit claimants are either old-age pensioners (yes, that's a benefit); having low wages topped up; disabled in some way; or carers for family members. Or just briefly between jobs.

As regards people who fall into none of these categories, my suggestion is not that they should work for their benefits, but that they should get a job and work for proper pay.

we have a labour shortage because of an ageing population, Brexit & the fact the government hasn't invested in skills & development. There has also been a silver exodus of workers post covid.

Look at the crisis in the airports because all the staff who were let go have gone elsewhere

We've got very low unemployment. Far lower than it's been in the past. I think the right wing media want us to think there are huge numbers of people sitting around claiming ££££ so they can blame everything on them though

Are you proposing people are paid £77 for a full working week litter picking? Or are you proposing they're paid NMW for this?
In the first scenario no council is going to be able to justify keeping on their better paid current cleaners so that's them all out of a job and no money saved on benefits. In the second scenario, councils or other companies can't or don't value that task enough to create a job out of the existing budget. Taxes will have to rise or services to be cut in order to pay the wages.

I’d prefer it if they were pushed into education/training of some sort so they have actual skills and qualifications to better themselves.

I do agree op, and those with disabilities should be offered appropriate opportunities wherever possible even when it costs more in support costs than they contribute - I've worked with several young people with disabilities who would like to work but employers don't want them.

DD comes up against disability discrimination at work all the time. Even if HR agree reasonable adjustments, her manager says "Its not fair on the others and we don't have to do them. Its just guidelines!"

Duh - the whole point of reasonable adjustments is to put the disabled people on a level playing field with "normal" people, who are already advantaged!

As DD says, there seems to be a hierachy in the discriminations - racial discrimination is taken far more seriously, than disability discrimination!

Until you can tackle disability discrimination in the workplace OP, then you are being unreasonable!

This. OP did you start that other stupid thread about every man and his dog doing fruit picking?

Also I feel there can be a huge loss of confidence and social skills when not working

Are you proposing the end of prolonged SAHM/SAHDs then?

I actually think that while there is some merit to this (and I have seen e.g. street cleaning organisations by organisers for the jobseeking abroad - let's face it, our levels of rubbish everywhere are appalling), we should also work on far more accessibility of jobs in general.

Covid, with its drive to allow people to work from home, should have opened the market to a lot of people who are mentally fit, but struggle physically - why are so many jobs not allowed to carry on from people's homes? If it's an issue of productivity, measure performance and act accordingly with individuals who are taking the proverbial, but this alone could ease the benefits issue a little.

I am also astonished that I have not seen the equivalent of restaurants run by disabled people much over here - there seems to be a dark restaurant in London and one in Birmingham, but that's it? And why oh why have we not adopted the robot restaurants run in Japan, where your server is a robot controlled by a bedbound person?

We have made so many advances in technology, but still seem hell-bent of working like we did in the 1980s, in a 9-5 day in the office.

You haven't thought this through have you OP?. Imagine this proposal of yours goes ahead and it's decided that paying somebody on £77pw is to "clean poo off a toilet" rather than somebody earning what you earn for doing the same job is a better deal. What do you suppose will happen to the person who up until then was employed to do the job? All those cleaners, shelf-stackers, fruit-pickers etc will suddenly find themselves unemployed. Still I'm sure there will be openings for you to do something to earn your benefit money.

It isnt true to say that "most" people on benefits are working.

For working age benefits (I.e) excluding pensions etc, 40% or so of recipients are working but a big chunk of those will only be working part time.

The biggest barrier to work is disability and we need to do more as a society to help work on that barrier by making it more possible for people with disabilities to work as the vast majority WANT to.

Goodness I gave up trying to figure that title out.

I’m out.

why oh why have we not adopted the robot restaurants run in Japan, where your server is a robot controlled by a bedbound person?

Yes, let's get the bedbound into work, the lazy scrounging fuckers 🙄

It's simple supply and demand. If employers have a demand to fill and no supply of workers to fill it they need to look at creating more demand for their role via better working conditions, better hours, better benefits and higher wages. Forcing people into low paying jobs against their will will keep wages artifically low.

FWIW, the only role in my local area which fits OP's description of being chronically understaffed are care roles, a vocation which has been undertrained, underpaid and undervalued for decades. Experienced care staff are leaving in droves to go to Aldi and the like where they are treated better, paid better and looked upon better by general society. Forcing unemployed people into care roles against their will is not going to solve that issue.

There are millions of bits of litter / dirt/ fag ends that could be swept up or cleared from beaches

Oh please do fuck off.

Also getting the bed bound to man restaurants 🤔

What the fuck.
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People out of work are usually down on their luck. Picking up fag ends off a beach. Okay, but pay them a proper wage ffs.

I’m not sure how many people are in this category? Not many I would have thought. I thought you were forced to take work these days if you’re not a carer/ incapacitated/ studying. If they are seriously looking for work that is quite time consuming with applications and interviews and that’s why you can get JSA

If employers paid a fair wage then a huge number of people wouldn't need to claim any benefits at all. Imagine that!

In addition, the amount spent on benefits is a mere drop in the ocean compared to the amount of lost revenue in offshore tax evasion scams.

But let's not upset those Rich Tory donors. 🤫

Money for work.... That's called a job. If there's a job then pay them a wage

I kind of agree. The Germans do this. First six months you don't have to work, bit after that you have to do a few hours a week. If you kept people's benefits (council tax and housing benefit) and let them work in public contribution jobs (hospital portering, auxiliary nursing, health and social care support, firemen) at £9.50 an hour then I think people might well be happy to do more than the 25 hours a month you would need to earn your Universal Credit.
It would be tricky to move them into full time work though, if they would lose their c tax and housing benefits.

Because it's so much better to have people who are sound of mind waste away while - what - watching telly?

Not sure Hawkins would have been happy with that...