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Have you ever felt evil or that something was deeply wrong?

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crochetmonkey74 · 01/08/2022 09:25

Inspired by an experience I had recently that has really rattled me. It's very outing as I've talked to everyone in my real life about it, it bothered me so much so I'll keep it brief.
I met some people I hadn't met before to buy an item from FB marketplace. Its a fairly rare item, and an expensive one so I went off to see if it was the right thing. The house was beautiful, it was a very large manor house that has been turned into huge expensive period flats,the grounds were amazing and the people were nice but a few odd things happened that were boundary testing and also some oddly timed things happened. While I was there I felt OK, it was a beautiful place, very quiet and entrancing but as I drove away I had this overwhelming sense of relief that I was leaving, and I was scanning my brain for any information I'd told them about myself in case they could find me. I am not a scared person or one prone to flights of fancy , this has never happened to me before. I had a physical reaction to the street they live on when I drove past some days later. My brain said "I'm never going up there again" and I keep having that feeling of having been in a bubble, it bursting and me being glad to be away from it. A weird story I know. Anyone had similar? I just know there was something deeply wrong there. I even asked my lovely neighbour to send a prayer up for me to protect me , and I would consider myself a non believer!

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tonightelmowillrise · 19/09/2022 18:36

HettyHensHideaway · 19/09/2022 18:35

Except everything I’ve said is exactly what’s she said. Feel free to re read it. And again, take your own advice and click off and not read my messages if you don’t want to. You’re an adult (I presume), you can make that choice

i thought you were leaving?

HettyHensHideaway · 19/09/2022 18:36

crochetmonkey74 · 19/09/2022 18:34

I wish you well

Yet you don’t wish strangers who did nothing wrong to you well do you? You wish them harm.

I sincerely hope no one every accuses you of lies one day OP, mud sticks and it can ruin lives.

crochetmonkey74 · 19/09/2022 18:41

HettyHensHideaway · 19/09/2022 18:36

Yet you don’t wish strangers who did nothing wrong to you well do you? You wish them harm.

I sincerely hope no one every accuses you of lies one day OP, mud sticks and it can ruin lives.

Good Lord
No amount of you telling me it didn't happen will make it not have happened.
It happened. To me. And similar things have happened to many people on this thread.
Despite you turning this into something very specific from your own life, it is not what happened in this case.
I am a responsible and normal human being. Not prone to nonsense and not I the habit of putting people in danger. There is no way anyone i told could know who these people are.
You really don't need to be so combative , lifes hard enough, geez

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crochetmonkey74 · 19/09/2022 18:42

And actually they did do something wrong to me, they were inappropriate and boundary pushing with me

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HettyHensHideaway · 19/09/2022 18:46

Inappropriate and boundary pushing ISNT evil. And it doesn’t deserve you lying about them and potentially crating a reputation. You’re being dramatic and selfish.

oh, but I wish you well and all that crap.

crochetmonkey74 · 19/09/2022 18:49

I wish you well and all that crap

Thanks , you too

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Buzzybeeinmybrain · 19/09/2022 19:06

Cool thread! I found it strangely comforting actually!

I had a weird experience on the tube 12 years ago. And DH and I still talk about it. We both had "the feeling", we got off the train early and waited for another one. Shudder.

I'm autistic and highly sensitive and I do sometimes wonder if it's all in my noggin' but DH remembers it too. He's very level headed and sensible.

I visited a rural derelict church yesterday. Its well known for giving off "bad feelings" and I was warned by several people beforehand. When I got there I felt utter joy and peace. Like a warmth all over my body, from head to toe. I didnt want to leave...the sun was shining through the tower arches into my face. So warm. I could hear the creekside low tide trickling nearby. No cars, people or cows - just peace. Trust me to feel the opposite to everyone else!! 🤣

Anyway, thanks OP for a cool thread!

Londontown12 · 19/09/2022 19:37

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4636461-seeing-the-world-in-hd-distressing Here’s @Adviceplease991 post I’m loving these scary stories x

blackheartsgirl · 19/09/2022 19:45

One of my male primary school teachers gave off an odd vibe which I felt even as a nine year old. My mum said I described him as creepy once but she laughed it off at the time as me being daft.

about five years ago my brother sent me a news article. This teacher had been charged with downloading images of children and sexual abuse of boys

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 19/09/2022 20:04

I do not wish to be dragged into this disagreement as up until that point this thread had been very interesting. What I would say however is that ‘inappropriate and boundary pushing’ can be evil. Being deliberately sexually provocative, making inappropriate comments particularly of a sexual nature and pushing boundaries to ‘test the waters’ are well known and well used practises by groomers and abusers. The behaviour of the people that OP went to see was very unpleasant and she has a right to feel the way that she does. The word ‘evil’ can take on many different guises and meanings to many different people. It can be a broad spectrum depending on who you speak to and what the subject matter is. The OP felt unsafe (and I can completely see why), and her senses told her that she was in danger and to leave.

As an aside, Fred and Rose West used inappropriate sexual conversation and boundary pushing when attempting to procure young girls from the children’s home close to their house (as well as the many other situations where they did this). It can be a tactic designed to test the waters, a potential attempt to groom, as well as in many cases provide a thrill for the person making the comments. Unwanted sexual comments can be a form of sexual harassment and if the people that the OP met are doing this to everyone that purchases something from them, then they are doing something very wrong and very sinister.

(and no, I don’t think that the people in the OPs post have got bodies buried in their cellar, I was using the Wests as an example of boundary pushing through sexual conversation).

crochetmonkey74 · 19/09/2022 20:19

blackheartsgirl · 19/09/2022 19:45

One of my male primary school teachers gave off an odd vibe which I felt even as a nine year old. My mum said I described him as creepy once but she laughed it off at the time as me being daft.

about five years ago my brother sent me a news article. This teacher had been charged with downloading images of children and sexual abuse of boys

I have the opposite experience to this. I had a primary teacher who was my absolute favourite. I was so shocked when much later he was convicted

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crochetmonkey74 · 19/09/2022 20:21

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 19/09/2022 20:04

I do not wish to be dragged into this disagreement as up until that point this thread had been very interesting. What I would say however is that ‘inappropriate and boundary pushing’ can be evil. Being deliberately sexually provocative, making inappropriate comments particularly of a sexual nature and pushing boundaries to ‘test the waters’ are well known and well used practises by groomers and abusers. The behaviour of the people that OP went to see was very unpleasant and she has a right to feel the way that she does. The word ‘evil’ can take on many different guises and meanings to many different people. It can be a broad spectrum depending on who you speak to and what the subject matter is. The OP felt unsafe (and I can completely see why), and her senses told her that she was in danger and to leave.

As an aside, Fred and Rose West used inappropriate sexual conversation and boundary pushing when attempting to procure young girls from the children’s home close to their house (as well as the many other situations where they did this). It can be a tactic designed to test the waters, a potential attempt to groom, as well as in many cases provide a thrill for the person making the comments. Unwanted sexual comments can be a form of sexual harassment and if the people that the OP met are doing this to everyone that purchases something from them, then they are doing something very wrong and very sinister.

(and no, I don’t think that the people in the OPs post have got bodies buried in their cellar, I was using the Wests as an example of boundary pushing through sexual conversation).

Yeah boundary pushing is weird isn't it. For me, it was all sort of buried in ostensibly refined polite chat, to the point where you almost doubt what you heard, or take a second or two to process it. It's so brazen that it seems wrong

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Meggie2008 · 19/09/2022 20:28

I used to actively cross the road to avoid a man that lived in my papas street, he sat on the steps of the flats he lived in at the time. I was literally only about 4/5 years old at the time and I was deliberately crossing over to the other side of the path because he made me feel weird. Turns out it was William Beggs

tsmainsqueeze · 19/09/2022 20:54

HettyHensHideaway · 19/09/2022 18:29

It’s not, because this is how it starts. People tell people, rumours and whispers begin. It’s how people end up being persecuted. If nothing happened to you, then you shouldn’t be calling them evil.

I’m going to give you what you want and duck out do this thread because it’s triggering. But please think about what you’re saying and the impact it has on others. These people did nothing to deserve you telling others they’re evil, that you were lucky to get out etc. If you can’t empathise with this in real life, go and read about the witchcraft trials and maybe you will understand how out of hand such accusations can get. I’ve seen it happen with my own eyes and it’s horrific. And it always starts with someone like you who ‘just told a couple of people’ and next thing you know, there’s a bogeyman at the end of the street who is actually a human being who cannot understand why their lives are being torn apart by immature little gossips.

good night.

I can see your point but equally i can see how someone,something,somewhere can give the kind of vibe people here are describing without an incident even occurring.
I absolutely know from my own experiences that some are able to 'read ' people,situations etc, pick up energy either good or bad better than others, i always use my 'senses' call it what you will and always trust my instincts .
I have been like this since childhood , i don't think its supernatural just a stronger sense ,similar to someone who for example has a stronger sense of smell,hearing,sight than the next person.
You weren't there to experience what the op did , her experience is totally valid .

Userg1234 · 19/09/2022 21:15

To add to the discussion I am a man who grew up in quite a violent area. A friend was murdered when I was 14, a hit man lived about 50 yards away!

Lee Child in the Jack reacher books talks about the lizard brain...that part of your mind that warns about potential danager.
I am always able to predict violence in bars etc....it could be body language...but I have done it an hour before the event

Aussiegirl123456 · 19/09/2022 22:51

Some of these experiences have sent me chills.

I think I used to have something ‘good’ look out for me (so opposite experience). I know I was in dangerous situations many a time and each time I was incredibly lucky and always felt this ‘good’ presence. I can’t even articulate it. Perhaps the same sort of feeling of safety I felt with my mum as a toddler or young child when I was scared and she used to cuddle me and tell me everything is okay.

Anyway, one particular time, I was driving down a single track country lane which was a one way track, lined with tall wheat either side, with my baby and toddler in the back asleep. It was a 60 mph lane and I was doing around 50/55. Out of nowhere this voice said slow down. My children were 1 month old and 13 months old so it wasn’t them and I thought why would I slow down? I’m not speeding and there’ll be no oncoming traffic. It wasn’t the radio voice as I had a CD playing. I ignored the voice for a brief second before getting this overwhelming urge to brake. The voice was not my voice. I remember it as clear as anything despite this happening 18 years ago. It was an older woman’s voice. Again I ignored it. Suddenly the CD ejected from the CD player (this was before the time of steering wheel radio controls and I definitely didn’t push eject on the radio). It flew out with such force that it frightened me enough to slam on my brakes where I was head on with a white van with about a cm between our two vehicles. Had I not slammed on my brakes at that very second I know I’d be dead.

Also, when I thought about things I wanted, like small goals or whatever, I always felt this presence when thinking on those things and I truly believe the presence has guided me through life.

The presence disappeared when my grandad passed away six years ago. I look back now and wonder if it was my grandmother? Who then left to rest with my grandad? I sound bonkers even just writing that.

As for evil. I’ve felt that too. 3 years ago. I’m a star lover and enjoy photographing stars. I was travelling in the outback with my family camping (well in a caravan) and one night I was just laying on the roof of the car all alone while my husband and kids were asleep. Just looking at the stars and feeling all insignificant in this world. I was thinking about how we were just miles and miles from anything and there wasn’t a single soul other than ours here. Then I smelt fresh cigarette smoke. None of my family smoke and plus they were asleep. I looked all around me, it was just open nothingness, there was definitely nobody there as there was nowhere to hide, you couldn’t get there without a vehicle and there hadn’t been any vehicles for a couple of days, but the smoke smell lingered. I felt ice cold despite it being 40+ degrees and the air felt thick and heavy. I slid down the car roof and ran to the caravan and inside, turned to shut the door and as I did this green/white almond shaped light lit up the sky before blackness. I didn’t sleep and the next day was normal. We travelled on as I didn’t want another day there and got to the next local township (haha local, it was an 8 hour drive!) and I was speaking to one of the indigenous people about where we had travelled and when I said where we were the night before he told me to never go there again, the land has eyes and that land is evil. He was genuinely very frightened for us and allowed us to attend a special smoking ceremony (aboriginal tradition) to cleanse us and their town of any evil that may have stuck to us. I also wanted to say, the indigenous people in this town would look scary to so many people, including us as they were very traditional, however the overwhelming feeling of good energy and kindness from them towards us was like nothing I’ve ever felt before. I truly do believe that we have a core and primal ability to pick up on certain cues about places and objects and people, and we should listen to them.

Ithinkiwanttobealone · 19/09/2022 23:19

Op it sounds honestly really unsettling - like they were trying to identify vulnerable spots or buttons to push.

I'm kind of hooked on the thread in a morbid way, all this talk of strangers watching intently is scaring the bejaysus out of me.

moggerhanger · 19/09/2022 23:41

Two experiences, one entirely explicable and one not so much. I am the least woo person you'll ever meet, and I've been really interested to read all the posts on here talking about our ability to subconsciously detect "off" behaviours.

Anyway, on to the explicable experience. DH and I were visiting the Roman site of Leptis Magna in Libya, and were wandering around the amphitheatre. We'd made our way down into the arena proper, which at the time was a bit of a mess with blocks of tumbled stone and general rubbish lying around. All of a sudden, a feeling of awful fear grabbed me - I looked at DH and I could tell from his wide eyes and panicked expression that he was feeling the same. We bounded up the steps to the seating tiers like a couple of mountain goats. Knowing how many died in that arena, I guess it's not that surprising that the atmosphere got to us.

The less explicable one was meeting a new work colleague who was taking on a position of significant responsibility in an overseas office. Before I even met him, I'd queried whether we'd done adequate due diligence, was he an appropriate person to take on this role etc (asking these questions was within my job description so I wasn't just being an arse!) All good, I was told, he was an experienced country rep, a churchgoer and orphanage volunteer, and came with glowing references. And I should wind my neck in...

Anyway, he came over for a week's work and I met him for the first time. Upon shaking his hand, I had to fight to not pull mine away. Had a sense that something was very not right about him. I remember dashing to the loo as soon as I could, and frantically washing my hands!

It will be of no surprise to anyone that he turned out to be wanted in his home country for historic CSA, and was using his position and churchgoing to commit further CSA in the country we were employing him in.

Lucidas · 20/09/2022 00:03

HettyHensHideaway · 19/09/2022 18:46

Inappropriate and boundary pushing ISNT evil. And it doesn’t deserve you lying about them and potentially crating a reputation. You’re being dramatic and selfish.

oh, but I wish you well and all that crap.

So…how’s the swinging lifestyle going?

IvorCutler · 20/09/2022 09:32

ChristmasAtHogwarts · 19/09/2022 11:53

As a child I found an antique necklace on the road opposite my house, it looked so old and I’ve no idea how it could’ve got there. The pendant was some sort of dragon or gargoyle creature. I’ve never felt anything like it, like there was evil running out of it. Every time someone touched it something bad would happen. A man at my house touched it and crashed his car within 12 hours. I touched it and fell and banged my head badly. There were a few other things - we threw it away at the tip. I wonder where it went. It was definitely not ‘right’ though

This reminds me of something that happened to me.

As a child I lived all over rural/outback Australia due to my dad’s job, never stayed anywhere longer than a year.

At one place (where we lived in a new, transportable house) I was swinging on a rope attached to the veranda and kicking up the dirt below me. I saw something shiny and dug in the dirt a little. It was a diamond ring, but absolutely tiny... It fit me and I was 6.

I felt deeply unsettled wearing it and took it off immediately. I looked at it closely and noticed that the diamond was set amongst 4 little skulls.

I still have the ring and I hate it. My mum has taken it to a jeweller before, who confirmed it was an antique and the diamond was real etc. It’s hidden away somewhere because I can’t bear to look at it, but I don’t feel I can get rid of it either. I really don’t want it though. I’ve had it for 32 years now and I feel like it’s cursed (I’m not woo in any other way!). I’ve never shown my daughter and don’t want her to inherit it. I need to get rid of it. It makes me feel physically sick just thinking about it and knowing I still have it.

Craver · 20/09/2022 10:01

Interesting topic.
As I student I lived in student halls in Belfast (Alanbrooke Hall) room 611. Previous students had reported the room was haunted. I lived there for the year and didn't notice anything unusual. Recently Radio 4 made a programme reporting the haunting describing one student describing the sensation of feeling "Pure evil" in the room. I'm not sure I would have stayed there knowing their experience. (Google Alanbrooke Hall Radio 4)

LaTangerina · 20/09/2022 10:15

IvorCutler · 20/09/2022 09:32

This reminds me of something that happened to me.

As a child I lived all over rural/outback Australia due to my dad’s job, never stayed anywhere longer than a year.

At one place (where we lived in a new, transportable house) I was swinging on a rope attached to the veranda and kicking up the dirt below me. I saw something shiny and dug in the dirt a little. It was a diamond ring, but absolutely tiny... It fit me and I was 6.

I felt deeply unsettled wearing it and took it off immediately. I looked at it closely and noticed that the diamond was set amongst 4 little skulls.

I still have the ring and I hate it. My mum has taken it to a jeweller before, who confirmed it was an antique and the diamond was real etc. It’s hidden away somewhere because I can’t bear to look at it, but I don’t feel I can get rid of it either. I really don’t want it though. I’ve had it for 32 years now and I feel like it’s cursed (I’m not woo in any other way!). I’ve never shown my daughter and don’t want her to inherit it. I need to get rid of it. It makes me feel physically sick just thinking about it and knowing I still have it.

Sell it as a haunted ring