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to warn you about this company offering solutions to child's anxiety and school refusal?

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Hols12345 · 30/07/2022 22:40

They advertise on Facebook as Young Vibes, Your Child Freedom Formula, Peaky Parents, Anxiety, Our Formula, and various other names.

They use a 'high ticket' sales technique, where they offer a webinar and then urge you to book a call. The call is a high-pressure sales call.

They have changed their name quite a few times over the last year, after they were investigated by the Advertising Standards agency - www.asa.org.uk/rulings/tomwill--holdings--ltd-g21-1116080-tomwill--holdings--ltd.html, and they were featured in a BBC radio 4 documentary www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000zt9y

There are a few threads on the child mental health boards - here's one. www.mumsnet.com/talk/child_adolescent_mental_health/4239684-your-child-freedom-formula-has-anyone-tried-it?page=1

On the threads there are people from 'both sides', including some who have been through the program, so it's well worth having a read if you are thinking of making the call.

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randomuser2019 · 14/06/2023 16:50

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nothingcomestonothing · 14/06/2023 16:55

That 'FAQ' is so unprofessional, if I were a browsing potential purchaser reading that I'd steer well clear. It's written in poor English and sounds shifty as hell. Good job, Sam!

MillicentTrilbyHiggins · 14/06/2023 17:07

Is it just me (possible) or is "recover children" not the correct phrase?

I used to be a recovery support worker. I never would have said that I "recover people", but that I "aid/help them with their recovery"

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TeenDivided · 14/06/2023 17:24

I haven't had a new kitchen in 26 years, still wouldn't touch them with barge pole.

BruisedSkies · 14/06/2023 18:14

Has anyone watched this video under The Autism Question on Young Vibes FAQ? Apparently we’re all on the spectrum.

BruisedSkies · 14/06/2023 18:38

And also, children ‘get put on the spectrum’ because a professional can’t help with them with their anxiety and wants someone else to deal with them. They want that child ‘off their desk’.

Chuppy222 · 14/06/2023 18:57

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Just watch said parent get blocked! Unbelievable crap effort!

Chuppy222 · 14/06/2023 19:05

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Totally agree. In this current mental health climate I think a journalist may be very interested. I have called citizens advice last week, and they said because they are unregulated I need to put it down to a experience!

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Agree! But let’s remember Sam is following mumsnet. I’ve asked to take the comment about my son off the internet or I’m taking further action. I’m still waiting, and whilst waiting, working out what that will be.
anyone can feel free to contact me by direct message.

IncompleteSenten · 15/06/2023 06:05

Absolutely. If you are providing such important (and potentially harmful if not done properly) services to children it should be a legal requirement for you to meet certain standards, display certain competencies have appropriate training and qualifications and be answerable to an official body.

Tbh I'm shocked that that is not currently the case.

PickAChew · 15/06/2023 09:27

Going back to the idea of "recovering" children, it reminds me so much of when I was navigating the world of Autism with my boys, 15 years or so ago and "recovering" children with autism through diet, (expensive) supplements and so on, various behavioural therapies including some heavily based on punishment, right through to downright dangerous practices like a hyperbaric oxygen chamber, ingestion of bleach and so on were being marketed to desperate parents. I left a pregnancy and birth group for my eldest because another member had their DC diagnosed at the same time as him and was a fervent Jenny Mccarthy groupie who had the nerve to tell me I was poisoning Ds1 by not subscribing to the same nonsense.

Hols12345 · 15/06/2023 10:43

@PickAChew sounds horrendous. I detect a lot of shame around mental health or behavioural issues in Young vibes communications. I get where that comes from but I wish we could move on from this now.

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TeenDivided · 15/06/2023 13:13

Going back, vaguely, to the thread.

Does calling anxiety a physiological issue not a MH one allow Sam to sidestep professional standards?

TeenDivided · 15/06/2023 13:20

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Just for the record.

On this quote Sam shows she is associated with the Satsie Thomas books.

Yet this trustpilot review https://uk.trustpilot.com/reviews/63c94d129b64b1bdaf3cd292
shows her disingenuously reviewing them 19 Jan 2023.
Maybe someone more competent than I could screenshot the review and post it before it disappears.

Samantha Robins gave Satsiethomas 5 stars. Check out the full review...

Having recently brought the pair of books 'Bug to Butterfly' from Amazon and an outstanding ref ...

https://uk.trustpilot.com/reviews/63c94d129b64b1bdaf3cd292

BruisedSkies · 15/06/2023 14:33

Here you go. I don’t get it though. Is that Sam leaving a review for Satsie Thomas pretending that she’s doing the course? Or is she really doing it?

to warn you about this company offering solutions to child's anxiety and school refusal?
BruisedSkies · 15/06/2023 14:34

Oh! She IS Satsie Thomas.

BruisedSkies · 15/06/2023 14:35

It all just gets weirder and weirder.

TeenDivided · 15/06/2023 14:57

BruisedSkies · 15/06/2023 14:34

Oh! She IS Satsie Thomas.

Precisely.

https://www.satsiethomas.co.uk/

I love how it says Since January 2023 costs are now subsidised .
By whom I wonder? An external organisation? Some parents paying over the odds?

About us | Satsie Thomas UK

https://www.satsiethomas.co.uk

BruisedSkies · 15/06/2023 16:03

Yes, I noticed that about the word subsidised. I can’t quite believe all this has been going on so long. I’ve name changed many times since the beginning but it must be around 3 years now?

TeenDivided · 15/06/2023 16:46

The thread mentioned in the OP was the first one I think, that was 'only' May 21.

Hols12345 · 15/06/2023 17:31

Almost exactly 2 years @BruisedSkies @TeenDivided. Seems longer 🫠

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