To think that no one will give a shit about climate change when they're freezing this winter?

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Just that really. When we have a choice of spanking out £650+ in January for gas and electric or slowly freezing, will people will be less sympathetic to 'green' measures?

Will net zero go out the window when we realise how bloody miserable it is to live without modern comforts and there is civil unrest as a result?

YABU - Don't be ridiculous, climate change is the most important issue
YANBU - How true, I predict a riot

I've had delivered a full trailer of logs that will along with a little solid fuel/coal, heat my house without central heating for 5 months. The cost is £200 including the coal.

It's not environmentally friendly but at around £10 a week it's affordable. Central heating is going to cost a fortune this winter.

The savings I make will offset the electricity bill.

Realistically there's no point in me giving a shit because there's fuck all I can do about it.

Sorry, that was in response to @dianthus101

We are so grateful to have the virtuous and selfless like your good self walk among us mere flawed humans.

I'm sure you give a shit about other things whether or not you can do anything about it. Why is climate change any different? Most people including you would give a shit about climate change if temperatures are far colder than usual next winter because of it. Most people will care if the town they live in sinks under the sea because of it too.

In reference to my initial post, by 'give a shit' I meant that if there was a non-green way to bring down energy costs, people would quite happily go with that.

That 'giving a shit' about the environment is mainly performative virtue signalling and makes no difference to whether or not where I live will be underwater in 500 years time.

In reference to my initial post, by 'give a shit' I meant that if there was a non-green way to bring down energy costs, people would quite happily go with that.

You didn't actually say that. Regardless, I don't think many people will be “happy” with non-green measures to bring energy costs down. Even, if you decide you can't afford otherwise, why would you be happy about it?

Not read the full thread, but I did think that a lot of people who have homes with boarded over chimney breasts with open fire behind will be reopening them and foraging for wood. Particularly in more rural areas. This could end up with more house fires though as a lot won't be properly cleaned etc.

Not read the full thread, but I did think that a lot of people who have homes with boarded over chimney breasts with open fire behind will be reopening them and foraging for wood. Particularly in more rural areas. This could end up with more house fires though as a lot won't be properly cleaned etc.

Not read the full thread, but I did think that a lot of people who have homes with boarded over chimney breasts with open fire behind will be reopening them and foraging for wood. Particularly in more rural areas. This could end up with more house fires though as a lot won't be properly cleaned etc.

Depending on where you live it probably won't take 500 years for it to go underwater. Many highly populated cities could be underwater in about 30 years.

I/people would be happy because they could afford both food and energy, which is always nice.

As for underwater in 30 years - oh well. The planet does change, sometimes dramatically.

You missed out a very important one: doesn't have children.

As for underwater in 30 years - oh well. The planet does change, sometimes dramatically.

You could say that same thing about not being able to afford heating. I would prefer that to being underwater. You are only being blase about it because you don't think it will happen to you.

Well clearly. I'm not going to spend time worrying about things that won't have an impact on me.

What is actually having an impact at the moment is the price of energy, which is apparently at least in part due to our incompetent government. For all I care they could get digging for coal again in order to fix this problem in the short term.

Depending on where you live it probably won't take 500 years for it to go underwater. Many highly populated cities could be underwater in about 30 years.

A highly populated city would probably find a way to fund sea defences. Of course that only works if the city is surrounded by higher ground. But I am pretty amazed with this trend for people to sell up and move next to the coast. Those houses may not be underwater in their lifetimes, but within 30 years the beaches will be pretty much washed down to subsoil and rock.

It will impact most people though and if not their children and grandchildren though. You may not personally care about non-green energy but that doesn't mean that most people feel the same way.

Well, in Germany even the Greens have agreed to re-opening some coal fired power stations for the winter, so I think you might be right OP.

This is so very wrong

It completely ignores the reality of the sacrifice many made. I’m not sure why

Germany have big supply issues

We have price issues but likely more supply

It doesnt really matter if people ‘forget’ this winter - they’ll be reminded every increasingly hot summer.

I very much doubt that they are "happy" about it or don't give a shit though.

We went to a party today, it was warm and people were saying how lovely it was that it was still warm. Then came the sheepish admittance that although they thought most people were moaning and unhappy about the 40 degree days, they loved it.

Of course having been emboldened by a few people staying this most of the people there felt confident to say they too had loved it

I havent met many people who really hated it in the same way Ive read about. And Im not a summer lover, I was the odd one out.

Yes, I spent the day mostly indoors trying to keep cool and reading Guardian articles about how this would be the thing that would really wake people up to climate change and they'd see what a catastrophe it was. Then we went to the beach very late afternoon/early evening and it was packed with a real carnival atmosphere. It was absolutely lovely - I say that with guilt because I know how dangerous both extreme heat waves and the climate change they herald are, but it was - and as I looked around I thought that probably not that many of the people there being alerted to the horrors of climate change at that very moment.

*the hottest day