EU border entry requirements because of Brexit - need to prove you have £85 per day to spend

[cakeorwine]

In theory of course.

EU Border staff such as in Spain, can ask to check that you have enough spending money, a return ticket / onward ticket as well as all the passport checks ensuring it's in date, valid during your time in the EU and that you haven't been in the EU too long.

I guess they aren't doing this in full - but they have the right to. It's what we should be doing at UK immigration. Just so we know that people coming here can stay and aren't trying to sneak in for work.

This is what being a 3rd country out of the EU means. Before hand, at ferry ports, we were waved through or a brief scan. Potentially these checks will be time consuming.

And if the EU or any country in the EU wishes to make a point, this is what they can do.

www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/news/spain-introduces-new-85-rule-for-british-holidaymakers-entering-country/ar-AAZVRVQ?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=dde0bb90bf474bc3ad00ae5097ea7424

I was born in the UK of Irish parents. We weren't welcome. The pub across the road had the typical sign... as a child I saw "no blacks, no Irish, no dogs" every single day.

I am a tripartite citizen. I have a UK passport, a US passport and an Irish passport. My UK passport is now only useful for entering the UK.

Welcome to the world you voted for. People voted to exclude the UK from the world because it's an important place that wants it's own borders, it's own rules, and to "regain the old world ". You have it back. Now the UK wants to complain that people elsewhere don't think that a pimple on the planets surface is their priority? This isn't the 1600s or even the 1800s. The empire is gone. The only people who don't seem to raise that is (some of ) the British. You now don't get to waltz into other people's countries. Welcome to the real world. It's what you wanted, it's what you got.

I wish there could be preference for the 48%, or as an alternative a queue if you can speak the language of the country you are travelling to. I'd bet many of the 52% are the kind of people if they go to Spain, expect everyone and everything to be in English.

If they bring in the rules and start checking them like they could, then it would be up to you to provide whatever documents they specify (which would be advertised in advance via the embassy or wherever), possibly as part of getting a visa to go there, in much the same way that people from some countries would have to do to visit the UK (not usually required for short term holidays, but for longer term visas). You don't have to actually spend the money there, but you'd have to show that you've got it. If you don't, you won't get the visa, if that's what they decide they want. I suspect it won't become something they regularly check, but they might. Again they'd probably be better off increasing their tourism from with the EU, because that will be a lot easier for them to process.

But they would have to check.you were on a package holiday first to know they didn't need to do that so still a faff.

I do not think anything will be checked for someone coming from the UK and travelling to a touristy destination. I landed in Alicante on Thu night and we would still be queueing if those sort of questions were being asked. There were hundreds of people!

Someone said they did not check the Covid vaccination certs and tests… well, they certainly did when Spain was in lockdown. Nowadays it depends on the origin of your flight. For arrivals from the UK (where the assumption is that almost everybody is vaccinated) they check vaccination certificates and/or tests on a random basis, 1 every 5 or 6 passengers / families. I was stopped in March and my certificate would not scan so I was taken apart while my certificate was double checked and they offered a PCR or antigens test. I was travelling on my Spanish passport but obvs I was flying from abroad and my certificate was the NHS one.

@FourTeaFallOut No I wouldn't say stupidity. But personally I benefitted massively from FoM. A lot of my friends were cross collaborating in say Horizon 2020 etc. So despite my not holding the EU itself in very high regard I figured that there are benefits to being a member despite never being waved through.

As with all customs procedures they have certain characteristics they will target. As a holidaymaker with return ticket ive never been asked but having credit available is enough. The purpose isn’t to dissuade visitors, or make it difficult but to protect the country from those travelling to stay and work illegally. Fair enough really..

I do not think anything will be checked for someone coming from the UK and travelling to a touristy destination. I landed in Alicante on Thu night and we would still be queueing if those sort of questions were being asked. There were hundreds of people

I agree with that - you would hope that a flight from the UK to a touristy destination would not have many checks as the queues would be massive.

And hopefully, it won't happen at ferry ports because of the potential queues - although those queues would be in the UK.

But TBH, if I was a French border guard who was pissed off with the attitude of the media and politicians who 'blame the French', then maybe I would do a day of working 'by the book' and asking more questions at border control in Dover.

In the event that checks on the spending money would be needed, how would you prove it? I dont carry cash, I dont carry cash abroad, I just have my debit card and pay by card for everything

I seem to remember Spain doing a lot of schmoozing UK tourists because they were concerned that a drop in numbers would negatively affect the local economy. Why would airports putting off people travelling there be helpful? If they are carrying out actions required by law, fair enough. All countrues,shoukd protect their borders. But if they're just doing things because they can, what would be the point? It just clogs up the flow of passengers, puts stress on airports that are already short-staffed, increases staff complaints,at increased duties, leads to complaints from passengers from other countries than the UK, gives bad publicity, and gets broadcast on their national TV which won't just convey it as a brexit problem.
What would be the point?

@bellac11 A bank statement, failing that show them on your banking app.

What would be the point

I think that if French border officials decided to go "Full border control" at Dover - as you may see on TV programmes in the afternoon - their point would be just to piss off the UK media who are blaming the French for the delays.

The Ministers would have to say that "French border guards are carrying out full border checks on UK citizens wanting to enter the EU" which they are entitled to

A quarter of the Spanish tourism is generated by those travelling from the UK alone.

Having watched the UK airport immigration tv series, they take you into a room, interview you and you to contact your bank for verification. Is any airport set up to do that for hundreds of people getting off each plane? Do they even have the staff?

This thread is ridiculous. Given that Spain have allowed U.K. citizens to use EGates at their busiest airports why do people think that they will suddenly start interrogating U.K. passengers. Aside from the stupid questions from US immigration, there is only one country that I have received regular questioning from….UK border force on the way back in with my DCs.

Passports had to be in-date even while the UK was in the EU, what's changed is that the UK, like other third countries, is now also subject to the rules that the passport must be valid for a certain amount of time after the end of the trip, and the restriction on passports issued more than ten years ago. The rule about only spending 90 out of a rolling 180 days in Schengen isn't an EU rule, it's just that UK citizens lost the exemption because of leaving the single market (not because of leaving the EU).

God, that was depressing to type.

I think you may have just answered your own question,

If we start to get officious with EU citizens at UK Border control, what's to stop the EU doing the same as we do?

Just because they don't doesn't meant they won't

And yes - Border control programmes are interesting. As are the Customs ones as well.

This is what the French could do at Dover

www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/france/entry-requirements

At French border control, you may need to:

show proof of where you intend to stay, for example, a booking confirmation or proof of address if visiting your own property (e.g. second home). Further information is detailed below

show proof of insurance for your trip.
show a return or onward ticket
prove that you have enough money for the duration of your stay. Further information is detailed below

France categorises possible accommodation arrangements for visitors as follows:

Staying with family, friends or third party - you may be asked to provide an ’attestation d’accueil’ (welcome invitation) from your host if you are staying with friends or family. The French resident hosting you will need to obtain this attestation d’accueil from their local Mayor’s office, and send the original attestation before you enter France. You should also be prepared to show proof of funds of at least €32.50 per day, for the duration of your stay. If you do not have an ‘attestation d’accueil’ you should be ready to fulfil the requirements of option 4 below.

You have a second home in France - you will need to be able to prove ownership or tenancy of your property e.g. a tax or utility bill.

You are staying in a hotel or other commercially provided accommodation - you may be asked for confirmation of your reservation when entering France. You should also be prepared to show proof of funds of at least €65 per day for the duration of your stay.

You do not have an ‘attestation d’accueil’ or any pre-booked accommodation - in this instance, you may be asked to prove you have sufficient means for your visit, of at least €120 per day for the duration of your stay.

Missing the point of the thread......but how are you managing to use both British and Spanish passports? My DH and I are entitled to Spanish citizenship but when we looked into it we were told that there is no dual nationality agreement between Spain and the UK. We were told that whilst you don't have to actually surrender your British passport, the Spanish authorities can remove your Spanish citizenship if you are found to be using the citizenship of another country (other than one of the few where they recognise dual nationality.) I got the impression that the British authorities are less likely to be bothered but that Spain takes a very dim view of it. My PILs are Spanish by birth and still own property in Spain and spend quite a bit of time there but they are British citizens now and so aren't entitled to Spanish passports any longer. DH and I decided against applying for Spanish citizenship as using both seemed to be absolutely out of the question, so I'm interested to learn that might not actually be the case in practice.

@cakeorwine No, they won’t because the U.K. has been interrogating people with DCs for years; BRITISH citizens. They’re quite happy for adults to use EGates including those with EU passports. The U.K. is not going to suddenly start interrogating EU citizens. It’s a load of scaremongering nonsense.

Spain seems better - less paperwork with the Marie

www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/spain/entry-requirements

At Spanish border control, you may need to:

show a return or onward ticket

show you have enough money for your stay

show proof of accommodation for your stay, for example, a hotel booking confirmation, proof of address if visiting your own property (e.g. second home), or an invitation from your host or proof of their address if staying with a third party, friends or family. The Spanish government has clarified that the “carta de invitation” is one of the options available to prove that you have accommodation if staying with friends or family.

Well, if you want to convey that the French are just being arses, I guess most people already knew that.
But your post was about Spanish border staff at airports checking on money because they have the right to do that. They also have a right, amongst others, to search everyone's suitcases, do electronic strip searches of hundreds arrivals at a time and enter the plane on arrival and search everyone and their belongings on the plane before disembarking. So you'd have to include those in with the things they could do.
But my question is, just because they can do it, why would they want to do it in practice? Why increase bad publicity for the airport and the country that is actively trying to get tourists to visit?

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/28/number-of-eu-citizens-refused-entry-to-uk-soars-despite-covid-crisis

A total of 3,294 EU citizens were prevented from entering the UK, even though post-Brexit rules mean they are allowed to visit the country without visas. That compares with 493 EU citizens in the first quarter of last year, when air traffic was 20 times higher.
Visitors, however, can be stopped or detained and expelled if they are suspected of travelling to Britain to work or settle without meeting the new visa requirements.

Hah no we don’t always. My husband is USA and he just glides through the E-gates every time. And we’ve been through Heathrow 4x since Brexit.

I don't have a problem with showing passport and have banking app open in case they want to look. I have a French bank account as well as English. Before Brexit I have gone via Dover many times and they used to pull over every fifth or sixth car into a different lane and vans often got searched.