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Friends didn't "tip"....bit tight?

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tvsavec · 18/07/2022 15:39

Me and three friends went to a little family run Greek restaurant.
The bill came to around £80 for four of us.
At the end of the meal
Friend 1 put £2 on the table and I also put £2
Friend 3 said "is that for a tip"
We said yeah.....she shouts for the waiter and hands him the £4 and says thanks
They didn't bother to put a couple of pound in each

Aibu to think it's a bit tight?

OP posts:
FlorettaB · 26/07/2022 19:01

’I used to religiously leave 10%’

That’s what I mean by the norm. You understood that it is considered the appropriate amount to leave.

TrashPandas · 26/07/2022 19:18

My message was for panda

And two others immediately replied to say they also know you're talking shit. Kind of disproves your point doesn't it.

Please throw some more UK references at us. It's very entertaining 🤣

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 26/07/2022 20:42

If you are not tipping you are being tight arsed and all the chat on here won't change you sorry- be generous and tip.

But why when wait staff here are paid a wage? Unlike the US?

Tip the carer too if it matters to you- I certainly give gifts to people who contribute to people I care about but I know carers get paid more than waitresses do too.

I’m not allowed. Carers where my grandparents have been can’t accept gifts over a certain amount. In fact most places I’ve worked don’t allow you to accept cash gifts from customers/parents (for school) or clients. Some places allowed us to accept non-monetary gifts under £25 but we had to declare it and write it in a register.

which I actually agree with for most organisations. So what makes waitressing so special that they deserve tips and anyone else gets sacked for cash gifts?

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 26/07/2022 20:43

chiweenie · 26/07/2022 18:05

To clarify, In England leave 10-12.5 % and 15% if you wish to be generous.
In the US leave 18% and 20% if you wish to be generous unless the server is a complete arse and the service terrible- then you can just leave 10%.

Thems the rules tighwads...the rest of us know them

Thems the rules in the US, yes.

Thems are NOT the rules in the UK no matter how much you insist. Don’t you think it’s weird you’re the only (alleged) former waitress who is saying tipping 10-15% is ‘the rules’? Is everyone else on this thread wrong?

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 26/07/2022 20:45

Tips were90% of that income

What total bollocks 🤣

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 26/07/2022 20:50

TrashPandas · 26/07/2022 19:18

My message was for panda

And two others immediately replied to say they also know you're talking shit. Kind of disproves your point doesn't it.

Please throw some more UK references at us. It's very entertaining 🤣

Half expecting her to say “You plonker Rodney” 🤣🤣

As an aside, I think lack of tipping is related to food as well. I had a terrible meal the other night, ordered a £15 chicken gyros, got some overdone pitta, a smattering of tzatziki, a few chips and some really rubbery unseasoned chicken. I rounded the bill up by about £2.50 but was reluctant to do so cos the food was so crap and they didn’t give a shit when they said “are enjoying your meal” and I explained I wasn’t. They just looked annoyed that I didn’t say the usual ‘yes lovely thanks’. I don’t think that’s food OR service worthy of a tip

summersun29 · 26/07/2022 20:58

Always tip 10%, but with cost of living rising, I read somewhere you should be tipping more (if you can afford it and the service was good, of course).

roarfeckingroarr · 26/07/2022 21:08

Tight. I wouldn't date a man who didn't tip.

1982mommaof4 · 26/07/2022 21:10
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Maverickess · 27/07/2022 09:36

Tip the carer too if it matters to you- I certainly give gifts to people who contribute to people I care about but I know carers get paid more than waitresses do too.

@chiweenie

You can't tip carers, there are very specific rules around what carers can receive from clients/families and you can be referred to safeguarding for breaking them by accepting gifts, most providers have rules around that and there's usually a limit of £5, maybe £10. A one off gift, or one given by family or left in a will is more acceptable because the idea behind it is that a) the person gifting is not expecting more because they're gifting the carers something which disadvantages those who can't and b) stops unscrupulous people fleecing the vulnerable people in their care.
Christmas is an exception where families or clients gift chocolate or similar to the whole team, or home/service, but 'tipping' or gifting to one person isn't really allowed.
I will say though that funnily enough these rules got relaxed during covid where gifts consisted of gloves, aprons, facemasks, handwash etc and things we needed to do our jobs safely, and should have been bloody well provided by the providers but weren't. We also got pizza's and food hampers and in one case, toilet rolls (gratefully appreciated because by the time you'd finished your shift and got into the shops, the shelves were bare). But these were gifted as a whole, between staff and residents rather than to just one person.

And carers do not get paid more than waiting staff, not IME and I've worked in both jobs (I have gone from one to the other) for over 25 years. I have similar levels of experience and skills in both areas and am supervisory level in both - I get paid more for that in hospitality, and the nmw is the same if you're a carer or a waitress. The difference is the level of responsibilities and everything that goes with that.

I can afford to tip these days, and generally do, but there's been times I haven't and I don't agree with the premise that if you can't afford to tip 10% then you shouldn't eat out. I'd much rather receive a bit of respect, a few kind words and a good review from someone who has budgeted for a meal and really enjoyed themselves, but can't afford to leave a tip than a tip from someone who treats me like a skivvy, feels up my junior staff, shouts at them and thinks they deserve more time and attention than any other guest we're serving at the time simply because they have more money. That's just playing into the idea that people with more money are more important than those with less and I really disagree with that.
Tips are gratefully appreciated when they come but as I and many others have said, not expected and not resented when they don't.
I've experienced before being told 'and don't expect a tip!' and I can see that that attitude probably comes from them having dealt with service from people like you and they then believe we're all like that, makes the job harder and increases the us against them vibe which makes it really hard to give good service because someone is coming at you with a negative attitude before You've even started.

blebbleb · 27/07/2022 10:27

roarfeckingroarr · 26/07/2022 21:08

Tight. I wouldn't date a man who didn't tip.

Same here

SundayTeatime · 27/07/2022 11:40

I’d be sacked if I accepted a tip. We are not allowed to accept anything at all. It breaks ethics and compliance rules. If anyone offered a tip, it would have to be reported.

Meraas · 27/07/2022 11:42

SundayTeatime · 27/07/2022 11:40

I’d be sacked if I accepted a tip. We are not allowed to accept anything at all. It breaks ethics and compliance rules. If anyone offered a tip, it would have to be reported.

Yeah but that’s not normal in the service industry.

SundayTeatime · 27/07/2022 11:47

Meraas · 27/07/2022 11:42

Yeah but that’s not normal in the service industry.

I work in a service industry.

Meraas · 27/07/2022 11:59

But it’s still not normal. I’ve never had anyone refuse a tip.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 27/07/2022 13:13

chiweenie Do you ever read your posts before you hit 'send'? You're essentially proving a non-tipper's/selected tipper's point that many waiting staff are not deserving of any sort of tip and actually, some of them should find another job to do, preferably one that isn't customer-facing.

The idea of you slobbering over a customer who tips in a manner to make you 'proud' makes me nauseous. You and the other 'guessers' are very bad at it given that you still have to serve people who won't furnish you with (even more) unearned money. You can call me whatever ridiculous names you like to bully people with and I will continue not tipping you. I save my rewards for those who actually warrant them.

Keep going... you're doing a great job. At this anyway.

FatOaf · 28/07/2022 08:28

But it’s still not normal. I’ve never had anyone refuse a tip.

Many years ago, I worked for a coach-tour company in London. (I was a van-driver, so not customer-facing.) The company sold tours on the basis that all gratuities were included in the initial price. Gratuities for each rep, porter, coach-driver, etc., were calculated from the number of guests staying at each hotel, taking each excursion, and so on. Part of my job was to go round all the hotels at the end of each month to distribute the gratuity payments. Any rep employed by the company who accepted an additional tip from a guest would be sacked. I knew two reps who it happened to.

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