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I'm shocked at this picture in the news..

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AppelFrench · 18/07/2022 13:38

A Queen's guard being given water. Can you imagine wearing a wool jacket & bearskin hat in this heat? This uniform needs rethinking for extreme heat.

I'm shocked at this picture in the news..
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Softplayhooray · 20/07/2022 06:51

AppelFrench · 18/07/2022 13:38

A Queen's guard being given water. Can you imagine wearing a wool jacket & bearskin hat in this heat? This uniform needs rethinking for extreme heat.

Making that man stand in the heat in that get up risked his health for no good reason, whatsoever. Honestly the pomp and ceremony around the Royals is ludicrous. And Charles the other day saying he'd warned everyone for years already about climate change and kind of bitterly laughing as he said it. The arrogance that it might not have occurred to millions of us, too is staggering. The monarchy needs to be wound up and their massive wealth put to better use.

cakeorwine · 20/07/2022 07:36

Softplayhooray · 20/07/2022 06:51

Making that man stand in the heat in that get up risked his health for no good reason, whatsoever. Honestly the pomp and ceremony around the Royals is ludicrous. And Charles the other day saying he'd warned everyone for years already about climate change and kind of bitterly laughing as he said it. The arrogance that it might not have occurred to millions of us, too is staggering. The monarchy needs to be wound up and their massive wealth put to better use.

No good reason
Exactly

Fighting in Afghanistan - a good reason to risk your health

But standing on guard in full uniform. Not a good reason. I am sure few people would have objected if a different more appopriate uniform was worn on hot days.

But a soldier's lot is not to reason why? Just to obey without questioning orders.

As Sergeant Wilson would say "Is this wise. Sir?"

summerin69 · 20/07/2022 07:55

Aren't they meant to be in the armed forces? Wouldn't they be expected to tolerate much worse than this in war conditions? I would imagine they have measures in place for dealing with this and have briefed their guards. The optics don't look good I agree - but neither do photos of hundreds of people crowded on a beach, with nowhere to pee, frying under a baking sun.

cakeorwine · 20/07/2022 08:03

summerin69 · 20/07/2022 07:55

Aren't they meant to be in the armed forces? Wouldn't they be expected to tolerate much worse than this in war conditions? I would imagine they have measures in place for dealing with this and have briefed their guards. The optics don't look good I agree - but neither do photos of hundreds of people crowded on a beach, with nowhere to pee, frying under a baking sun.

Difference between having to tolerate it in war conditions and having to tolerate it because of tradition?

Maybe they do have precautions in place?
Maybe they have carried out a full health and safety assessment and taken appropriate steps to reduce the risk to the individual.

Darlingx · 20/07/2022 08:17

The Queen having her money invested offshore for tax avoidance purposes all perfectly legal would have been legal advice for further wealth enrichment even to one representing their Commonwealth

but when I saw the
The Storyville Documentary -Dark Secrets of a Trillion Dollar Island – Garenne

It put a whole new perspective on all the Pomp and Ceremony to add Grandeur to Power and that someone actually tried to honestly do his job as an MP representing his community . It was all the Ceremonies and costumes that united those above questioning that just swept any casualties under the rug. Those needing to be questioned were literally dressed in Ermine robes and Gold Medallions representing the Crown by that costume as being beyond reproach . So to me such costumes are to dehumanise or idolise false narratives. See the human beyond the costume. All the gold and the fur it’s an outdated fetish of power. It’s all Ceremony and symbolic though I suppose to wear a Bear’s skin. I don’t think wearing a mono fibre version is the answer or unquestioning duty.

Dark Secrets of a Trillion Dollar Island – Garenne
10pm, BBC Four

The complex story of Jersey’s historical child sexual abuse claims is unpicked in this fascinating documentary. In 2007, a media frenzy was caused by the discovery of abuse on the island, drawing attention to its status as a possession of the crown and offshore tax haven. The scandal split the community into those who wanted to preserve Jersey’s reputation for investment purposes and those wishing to uncover the truth.

fyn · 20/07/2022 09:21

@cakeorwine I think you miss the point though. Soldiers go out and do their duty whatever the conditions. They’d be no use if they turned up in Mali or Somalia and hadn’t got the endurance to be there. They’d put themselves and others in danger.

All of our neighbours on the patch were out running with their weighted day sacks yesterday. They go out whatever the weather.

Snaketime · 20/07/2022 09:32

I have to ask how many of you went out for a meal at a pub or restaurant or ordered a take away during this weather?

Blossomtoes · 20/07/2022 10:12

I know what it means, thanks

In which case you’ll also know you used it incorrectly.

The monarchy is supposed to be represent our values and our morales

How is that even possible when everyone’s are different? As to consequences in the Queen’s lifetime - you do know she’s 96, don’t you? Are you seriously suggesting putting a nonagenarian up against the wall? 😂

antelopevalley · 20/07/2022 10:18

Snaketime · 20/07/2022 09:32

I have to ask how many of you went out for a meal at a pub or restaurant or ordered a take away during this weather?

This is not the gotcha you think it is.
This guard was performing essentially for the tourists. There was zero practical reason to have him wearing this hat in a heatwave. If it was just about security he could stand there with the hat off. But he had to keep his hat on so tourists could take photos.
That is what is inhuman.

mybiggestfan · 20/07/2022 11:04

MY friend district nurse has to wear full uniform including black tights not allowed to go bare legged. This and wearing a mask too.

antelopevalley · 20/07/2022 11:52

Black tights are ridiculous. PPE is different as that has a practical reason.

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