To ask if you a Conservative Party Member who you like to see in the final two and who would you vote for?

[BreadInCaptivity]

As the title says.

We will have a new PM and the decision on who it is will ultimately reside with CP members.

I would rather this wasn't a political thread in the sense of Conservative/Labour/LidDem/Green etc.

I'm simply very interested to understand the direction of travel here for party members and would ask that people posting respect that and don't pounce on party members who post.

For reference I'm not a party member, but my uncle is and in his constituency he's saying it's a run off between Sunak, Mordant and Badenoch in terms of local support.

Braverman is out
I doubt Badenoch will get through but we’ll see

I don't think she will either, but their rise will be rewarded with cabinet jobs, embedding more Ultraism on the front benches. The further the Tory Party lurches to the right, in this way - the culture wars, the immigration rhetoric and so on - the harder it gets to see them as a responsible, serious party representing the WHOLE country.

As I said upthread, the days of the Conservative party being the natural party of government are over. BJ and his appalling acolytes have squandered so much.

Labour's front bench is pretty diverse isn't it?

the culture wars

What do you mean by this?

What do you mean by this?

Are you unfamiliar with the term?

I generally would assume you mean women’s rights debate but feel free to say if you mean something else

Oh come on. Are you are bear? How long did you hibernate?

How erudite bloody hell this place 😬

Okay, that's part of it. But it goes further - statues, taking the knee, university courses, ethnicity-based disparity, the actual existence of institutionalised racism, the right to protest, gender-neural language, 'no platforming', and so on.

I'm pretty sure you're aware of all this.

Not really many seem to use it on here as a substitute for ‘trans issues’ which is a term I wouldn’t use as I prefer to talk about women’s rights.

Some might mean broader issues hence the question rather than the assumption that is what you meant too.

It’s has risen in popularity on SM for whatever reason, I can’t stand the term, but it’s good to define things otherwise it’s harder to discuss.

I don't want to soeak for other people. However IME generally when people encounter somebody expressing a pretence that they do not know what is being discussed, they usually see straight through this as the absurdity and waste of time it is, as appears to have happened here.

It's going to be Mordaunt methinks - coz Tory Party Members want to be right of centre, just as much as the Labsters prefer left of centre, both political parties having extreme tendencies.

With a few splashes of Lib Dem, Green, Loonies and Indies in the mix - then we have the politcal landscape that the UK Electorate best understands and responds to.

The Electorate are tired of second-guessing what their Politicians stand for - whatever it is, then we want to hear it. If you have nothing to say, unless advised to say it, then get out of the 'kitchen' and get a different job.

Ok good for you

how nice you wasted time on it when you could have scrolled past

It’s a fairly meaningless term although some sections seem to have latched on to it. I’m not keen.

To Sheepless

What?

If you want to explain what your issue is, I am sure people will listen and try to understand.

Didn't you launch in with an insult

I have posted why I asked another poster what they meant, not much more to it.

Exactly this - seeing the candidates (not all of them fortunately) treating the culture wars like it's an important policy issue given all the issues we're facing is mind boggling. Politics in the gutter. I wish that they'd stop pandering to the extremist elements of their party and media.

Didn't you launch in with an insult

Nope. I've not insulted anybody. What do you mean?

ok scroll back if you want just look for your first response quoting my post

But moving on this is what I mean treating the culture wars like it's an important policy issue given all the issues we're facing

this is referring to women’s rights issue isn’t it? Even if people use the term more broadly to include taking the knee, statues etc that is not the policy that is being focussed on right now

So I take this to mean it’s the what is a woman question that people are objecting to when they say ‘culture wars’

I'm saying that people have got a lot more to worry about at the moment with the economy and whether they can stick the heat on this winter. The culture wars that the Tories and associated media seem obsessed with is a side show.

Personally I care about women’s rights and usually talk about it in FWR as easier because many feel the same

Although I get others have different priorities which is also fine

Women's rights are hugely important. I just can't stand the way that some of the candidates clamber to show their 'anti woke' credentials. It's all totally divisive at a time when we could well do without it.

I think reducing the erosion of womens rights to the term "culture war" is designed to obscure just how significant an impact the legal changes from sex to gender identity some candidates (and other parties) have proposed will be to half the population.

It's not a trivial thing and its absolutely right that it should be an issue candidates are quizzed on.

It's getting to the backroom deals / stitch-up stage. The MPs who support Truss are gunning for Mordaunt and trying to suggest to the press that Mordaunt was a lazy, unremarkable minister.

Of course the situation is that Team Truss expected to be level pegging with Mordaunt at this stage. Instead, they have 19 less votes from MPs. Braverman, who just dropped out, had 27 votes and most of them will go to Truss but now she needs 20 of them to overhaul Mordaunt - tough.

Either of them will fancy their chances in a straight fight with Rishi Sunak. He's uber-wealthy and married to a billionaire whereas they are both from ordinary middle-class backgrounds and went to the local comprehensive.

And there's a potential plot where Sunak's supporters would rather see their guy up against Truss with her an odd manner and delivery. Say what you like about Mordaunt but the camera loves her. So will he "lend" Truss some supporters?

Ruth Davidson was able to get Scottish people to vote conservative. Not an easy achievement. She was the leader who delivered 31 seats in Scotland for the Tories. Yes it was 2016 and things were a bit different, but not that different.

Apologies, my post was to reply to @Amortentia

Yes Labour were terrible but the assumption was people would vote SNP.