To ask if you a Conservative Party Member who you like to see in the final two and who would you vote for?

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As the title says.

We will have a new PM and the decision on who it is will ultimately reside with CP members.

I would rather this wasn't a political thread in the sense of Conservative/Labour/LidDem/Green etc.

I'm simply very interested to understand the direction of travel here for party members and would ask that people posting respect that and don't pounce on party members who post.

For reference I'm not a party member, but my uncle is and in his constituency he's saying it's a run off between Sunak, Mordant and Badenoch in terms of local support.

The Queen refusea general election which Parliamemt has decided to hold? Delusional.

I don’t think Hunt would have been better for the country, I’m glad he’s now out too

He was too prone to wanting lockdown and that was damaging.

Others may feel he was a central option? Which is fine we won’t all agree on issues

Others may feel he was a central option? Which is fine we won’t all agree on issues

I don't know about central. I don't trust what any of them say. But I have seen him chairinf committees etc that show he is a rational person who seems to consideer evidence and outcomes before making choices. It's a low bar but at this point that is all I ask.

Sorry for typing!

Quite.
I've never got the appeal of Johnson. He just comes over as a very immature, cocky year 12 boy who thinks he's a lot cleverer than he is.
I've never once heard him say anything witty. He seems to make people laugh with his unbrushed hair and humphing and hawing.

I probably would have liked him more without the reach for lockdown, maybe his party would have too. I don’t want that to be a quick solution again

Although he’s already had a go at it before so maybe that was an issue too

I know Liz Truss. She is highly experienced, having been toxic and panicky across a number of Whitehall departments. Who could forget her Dr Zhivago turn in Moscow, her speech on cheese or prison dogs trained to bark at drones. Good with data but doesn’t do people, organisations or culture at all. The toxicity kills trust and drives awful (survival) behaviour in those around her but it’s the panicky over-reactions dressed up as ‘grip’ that would really trouble me were she PM. Experience isn’t everything.

Conservative party member, not currently feeling like a Conservative voter however.

Ben Wallace
Jeremy Hunt
Sajid Javid

Oh well

I probably would have liked him more without the reach for lockdown, maybe his party would have too. I don’t want that to be a quick solution again

Agree about lockdown. But the decision between him and Boris was before the pandemic so that is moot. Nobody asked either what they would do in that situation when making the choice.

My point is that the country needs a leader who is rational and able to make evidence-based policy choices. That does not equate to "telling it like it is" aka telling a certain group of voters what they want to hear based on fiscal policy or cultural views. It means someone who looks at what works internationally in terms of effective policies with better outcomes, better systems that deliver, and is prepared to challenge both their MPs and the electorate when they are wrong about the best way forward, based on evidence, and say this way is better and this is why: ...

I see nobody in either party capable of proper leadership like this. That is what is depressing. It is a pipe dream it seems to have any real leadership in our political system anymore.

Ben Wallace
Jeremy Hunt
Sajid Javid
Oh well

They lacked the foaming-at-the-mouth, Ultra-Right-Wing, unhinged, inexperienced incompetence that the Tory Party seems to lust over these days.

The Conservative party as the natural party of government is gone.

Sunak ultra right wing - In what way?

Wallace not even sure I knew his economic policy to determine where he stood

Javid was ok but hard to remember what he wanted

Hunt probably closest to Labour but really if you want lockdown happy type people Starmer is there

What did Ruth Davidson achieve? As a former journalist and producer at the BBC she is well connected to the media and was heavily promoted but what exactly did she do? She only won a seat in the Scottish Parliament once, and had to go through the list on every other occasion. Apart from benefiting on Labour committing political suicide she didn’t actually do much.

Hunt probably closest to Labour but really if you want lockdown happy type people Starmer is there

Lockdown was a publicly popular cross-party policy that was carried by most of the world. The people who still go on about it are like those abandoned pacific island soldiers who thought WW2 was still going on.

Sunak ultra right wing - In what way?

Good takeaway

He's obviously not. And that's why he's not being lusted over by the Tory Party voters.

Haha of course they are

What a load of rot 😂

Some can recognise the damage done and suggested it would be the case, others were very keen for whatever reason, usually fear.

It’s passed and as long as we don’t go back then good. Although you can see people struggling with economic impact now, usually those on lowest income. I thought it madness that those people demanded it.

As much as people wanted it, economically it has had an impact on the country.

I don’t think we’ll see again so no concern here - still wouldn’t put certain people up due to their propensity though.

Who is the front runner in your view?

Sunak has most support from within the party

Outside it? Who is ultra right wing and leading

The live debate on Sunday between those remaining on ITV will I think have an impact.

If someone doesn't perform or know how to exit a stage Liz Truss it could alter things.

Sunak has most support from within the party

The parliamentary party, yes. The membership prefer Mordaunt. They’re going to be pretty cross if she’s not in the final two.

Yes. I feel the TV debates will not be Truss’s métier.

In my head, Hunt is pretty right-wing. But then I suppose that comes from how he was seen as such back in the day, when he was in the coalition cabinet alongside Cameron and people like Nick Clegg and William Hague. The party has shifted considerably rightwards since then, making him appear more centrist.

Except for spending which is not further to the right and is at all time high and has been for a couple of years

Just looking at the thread where people are noting cash payments coming in..

When people say to the right do they mean other than spending?

Sunak has most support from within the party

Not the voting members.

Outside it? Who is ultra right wing and leading

I haven't claimed anyone is. This is my comment:

they lacked the foaming-at-the-mouth, Ultra-Right-Wing, unhinged, inexperienced incompetence that the Tory Party seems to lust over these days

What on earth qualified Braverman and Banedoch to even be on the ticket? Seriously. PM?

Here's a little something to gladden the heart.

Henry Zeffman (Times): Excl: Andrea Leadsom would be Penny Mordaunt's chancellor if she succeeds Boris Johnson, Conservative MPs believe

Braverman is out

I doubt Badenoch will get through but we’ll see

I always thought Johnson going would see calls for much lower spending so I’m not surprised. It’s been so high and dissenters were getting louder.