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Inlaws think my 3yr old has ASD

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TheGreatBobinsky · 12/07/2022 09:08

My inlaws keep insisting I get my DD(3) assessed for autism. They will not drop the subject despite me stating my many reasons against it. AIBU to be angry they won't leave it now.

My reasons are:

  1. She's only just turned 3 years old. Even if she was showing traits, she wouldn't be assessed this young anyway.
  2. She has met almost all of her milestones* and even surpassed many of them - her speech is brilliant, she's mostly potty trained, she knows her numbers up to 10, she has a fantastic imagination and role plays constantly, she can take turns and share, she is showing interest in playing with her peers, she has the emotional intelligence expected of a year old.
  3. She hasn't got any of the traits listed on the diagnostic criteria.
  4. Even if she did have traits, it's really unfair for them to keep saying it in front of her, especially when they are phrasing it as if there's something wrong with her which is insulting to people who are autistic.

The reasons they have given me for thinking this are:

  1. She doesn't like certain members of the family. She refuses to talk much to these people.
  2. She is very shy - she was only 6m old when lockdowns began, she's getting alot better with socialising but I don't think its surprising that she is shy.
  3. She has a limited diet - she is extremely fussy and this is a concern but this alone doesn't scream ASD to me.
  4. She's obsessed with her hands. She's not!
  5. She can't jump with two feet off the ground. *this is the one milestone she hasn't reached.
  6. She has accidents around one member of the family - who apparently tells her off if she has an accident 🙄

None of my health visitors, GPs, nursery staff (although they've only seen her at show around admittedly) or my own family - including two teachers (one of whom works in a SEN setting) think she shows any traits. I've tried being polite and shutting down this conversation but that's clearly not working.

The way things are said are implying that their is something wrong with her that needs to be fixed - she doesn't need fixing and even if she did have ASD she still wouldn't need fixing! What would you do in this situation?

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Notodaynotever · 12/07/2022 20:51

Myyearmytime · 12/07/2022 20:02

ASD is hereditary so you in laws will have lots experience with it . So listen to them .

This is as mad as a box of frogs.

I will never ask for autism advice here as long as I live.

TheSoapyFrog · 12/07/2022 21:04

Your first assumption is incorrect, my son was diagnosed when he was 2.
Autism is a spectrum and characteristics vary from person to person. Many are highly intelligent and meet their milestones.
My other son, despite a slight speech delay, met his milestones etc, and is on the ASD pathway at nearly 8.

My first son was, and still is preoccupied by his hands a lot of the time, as his proprioceptive and vestibular senses are underdeveloped.

However, you have told them time and time again to let it go, and they haven't, I would also be pissed off. I don't think YABU.

Lindy2 · 12/07/2022 21:16

Is it your in laws that your DD seems not to like and has accidents with?

If it is it sounds like she's picking up on their statements about ASD which is stopping her being relaxed around them.

From what you've described she sounds like she is doing perfectly OK and behaving like a perfectly fine 3 year old.

My DD has ADHD and ASD and I had a much longer list of potential issues at 3 years old. It's unusual for a 3 year old to be assessed or even go on the waiting list for assessment. To be honest there has to be some much bigger markers for possible ASD than you have described for a referral to be made. I'm certain it would simply not be regarded as necessary.

Just see how she gets on as she gets older and starts nursery - in the same way as all parents do.

parenthood1989 · 12/07/2022 21:20

Because if the inlaws have it their family they will know the signs .

But why do you assume they do?

If it in OP famliy I assuming she would not posted this but just got her child assessed .

I would assume if the in-laws were autistic she would have mentioned that too.

Oh, and you can't 'just get your child assessed'

Wineaddict · 12/07/2022 21:25

As a parent with one child with ASD, and another two who have been assessed for ASD (because HV or teacher suspected ASD - but I didn’t), I would say that what you have put in your OP wouldn’t concern me at all.

Your ILs sound like my HV/teacher with my 2/3 child, I went along with the assessments more to rule our ASD and stop them going on about it.

Just to add though, regarding age for assessment, my second child was 21-22 months old when assessed - one of the youngest at the time.

TheGreatBobinsky · 12/07/2022 21:26

Yes it is a few of my in laws who my DD seems to have taken a dislike too (and yes one of them is the person who has told her off for accidents) but she has disliked them since she was a baby. I'm not sure it's down to their comments alone though that won't help, I think it could be that they are very loud and in your face, things like cuddling without asking and they don't hand her back to me if she's crying. They don't like the fact that I tell them to respect her space and obviously wanting space is very normal but they don't seem to agree.

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StaunchMomma · 12/07/2022 21:32

I think I'd just lie and say you've spoken to he HV and they have no concerns/they don't think she meets criteria for ASD.

Do keep an eye on it though, some things you've mentioned eg speaking early aren't major signs of autism but were early indicators of what was Aspergers (now just autism, obviously). The criteria is incredibly varied.

Happytap · 12/07/2022 22:26

I’d stop letting them see her until they learn to be less rude

PriscillaPresley22 · 12/07/2022 22:42

You're right,they are wrong. You can be diagnosed Autistic at three years old though, my child was. Tell them to stop.

Benjispruce4 · 12/07/2022 22:46

Lots of little chn are fearful of hand dryer noise.

Benjispruce4 · 12/07/2022 22:46

Why are your in laws so family with your child’s milestones? How do they know what she can and can’t do in so much detail?

WishILivedInThrushGreen · 12/07/2022 22:49

Just bear these comments in mind and see what nursery says.

If your in laws' comments bother you just say that you'll bear them in mind and change the subject.

Daisycrown · 12/07/2022 22:49

Sorry accidentally pressed yabu but you definitely are not being unreasonable!

cottagegardenflower · 12/07/2022 22:57

You tell them never to mention this again in yours or DDs presence. If they do they'll see neither of you.

It's disgraceful. She shows no signs from your or their list and stigmatising her is unacceptable. I'd be furious

Silverbirch2 · 12/07/2022 23:04

I'd keep an eye on her, others often see what those closest describe as quirks. Needing personal space at 3, the shy and not talking to certain people as well as the hands comment and the reaching some milestones early could all be markets. You absolutely can get assessed now and in your position I would, if she is the early you know and can support the easier for her.

Notodaynotever · 12/07/2022 23:05

She could be highly sensitive. Worth looking up.

Your in-laws... Deserve a highly insensitive diagnosis.

Rainbowdrops2021 · 13/07/2022 00:41

As the (very proud) mum of an autistic 4 year old boy I honestly can’t get my head around this. My ds never hit any of his milestones; he had no eye contact, no pointing, no playing, no speech. He had 8 hearing tests because we thought he might be deaf. I honestly can not believe that your in laws are suggesting that because your dd is a bit of a fussy eater and a bit shy she’s autistic. I actually find their behaviour a bit insulting actually like it minimises the real struggle some autistic people and carers face. Your dd sounds like a typical 3 year old to me and you should tell your in-laws where to go.

Crumbleburntbits · 13/07/2022 01:12

Are your in laws qualified health or educational professionals with experience in diagnosing SEND including autism? If not, you need to tell them to stop or they won’t see their granddaughter.

It sounds like your daughter is an excellent judge of character and she’s intelligent enough to have picked up that your in laws are loudmouthed idiots!

Morph22010 · 13/07/2022 08:07

Sweetmotherofallthatisholyabov · 12/07/2022 10:02

I think my 3.5 year old is the exact same he's not obsessed with his hands is the only one he doesn't have. But he's very selective of who he'll speak to and can't be arsed with a load of people- to the point of rudeness. Obviously an area we need to work on. But when he's in the mood/comfortable he'd talk the ear of you. Anyway as you say a diagnosis won't "fix" anything they think isn't right- it'll just provide you with additional information or support so what's the point if you're not worried and don't need support?

Agree with the post except the bit about a diagnosis bringing extra support. I was quite surprised when my Ds was diagnosed that we just got diagnosis from paediatrician and sent on our way with a few leaflets. The support is a whole completly different fight

Thatsveryniceofyou · 13/07/2022 08:43

@TheGreatBobinsky are your in-laws the same as mine? They're obsessed my DS is autistic. We spoke to his teacher (they have no concerns at all), paid privately for an assessment but my in laws still think he is autistic and as we paid for an assessment it's not accurate as they will apparently report what the parents want them too. They tell everyone we have failed our Son. I honestly think they just don't know how to be around him as he is a quiet boy and his cousins that side are very loud cheeky children - my son just isn't like that (he is quite shy and takes a while to warm up to others. My in laws were also worried because he doesn't like hand dryers (but then ignore that he likes hair dryers, fireworks etc and other loud noises) my mother in law was the worst and at one party as my Son was joining is she goes oh look at him clap his hands when the other children do. My hubby did go low contact with his family after this as he felt their attitude was not healthy around our son.

Keep an eye on your daughter and please shelter her from the comments. I think you are trying to so that and it's the best you can do don't make her feel like she is different or wrong in how she is

Thinkingblonde · 13/07/2022 09:14

Thatsveryniceofyou · 13/07/2022 08:43

@TheGreatBobinsky are your in-laws the same as mine? They're obsessed my DS is autistic. We spoke to his teacher (they have no concerns at all), paid privately for an assessment but my in laws still think he is autistic and as we paid for an assessment it's not accurate as they will apparently report what the parents want them too. They tell everyone we have failed our Son. I honestly think they just don't know how to be around him as he is a quiet boy and his cousins that side are very loud cheeky children - my son just isn't like that (he is quite shy and takes a while to warm up to others. My in laws were also worried because he doesn't like hand dryers (but then ignore that he likes hair dryers, fireworks etc and other loud noises) my mother in law was the worst and at one party as my Son was joining is she goes oh look at him clap his hands when the other children do. My hubby did go low contact with his family after this as he felt their attitude was not healthy around our son.

Keep an eye on your daughter and please shelter her from the comments. I think you are trying to so that and it's the best you can do don't make her feel like she is different or wrong in how she is

My daughter had to pay for her son to be assessed for Dyslexia, he needed the assessment to get funding to get him the help he needs at school. The board responsible for the funding only accept diagnosis’s from the one my daughter used. His school contributed to the fee.
So that blows your in laws theory that they only say what the parents want to hear right out of the water.

USTeacher · 14/07/2022 17:20

Hi, I know it's very late to the discussion, but I made an account just to say how reasonable you're being! My parents and my in-laws are just like yours, basically insisting that every grandchild with traits they don't like has a disorder or needs immediate intervention.

My son--going into third grade and actually had a brain malformation as an infant. All grands were in denial, insisted that he was fine and would grow out of his delays, weakness, and health concerns. Intensive PT and OT, plus baby neuroplasticity, and he's in thriving in school, learning the trumpet, and playing soccer.

However, he's quirky. He has an extremely limited diet but is adding a food each month or so, gets overstimulated at Disney or live performances, has a temper, and after lockdown, had to see a counselor for a while due to social anxiety. Now my parents insist that he's autistic because he doesn't enjoy time with them, hates talking on the phone, and dislikes being hugged, kissed, or photographed very often.

My parents have diagnosed my nephew with Oppositional Defiance Disorder and a few other things because he insists on wearing feminine clothing, sometimes in public, which they know they shouldn't admit to disliking.

My in laws- They think my son is perfect, but are convinced that his cousin is autistic because she's afraid of hand dryers and doesn't like to run around constantly and get dirty. Also, she is fascinated by insects and will watch them for a long time and try to help them, instead of playing on the monkey bars and "getting exercise."

Two other cousins have been written off as being autistic by the in-laws because they never bonded with my SIL (step-mom) after a contentious divorce when they were very young.

She was polite and highly disciplined with them, including them in family hikes, biking, travel, etc., but never attempted to engage in their interests. They liked video games and TV, weren't academically gifted, wrestled and ran around until told to stop, etc., which both parents allowed in the past and their dad still allowed when he met SIL. She also forbade all junk food and desserts, making no effort to bridge between the two households. With their mom and her boyfriends, they are only junk and had no boundaries, and with stepmom and Dad they weren't even allowed to tell me about their favorite show when asked, because there was no gaming or TV talk allowed.

They did do extensive family counseling, plus individual counseling for the boys, both of whom were diagnosed with depression, but the parents needed counseling even more. For example, years in, SIL still laughed over accidentally making a bike trip so arduous, the boys were crying with exhaustion halfway through. She could've called for a relative to get them, but no. They'd done the ride in exchange for ice cream and they needed to push through just like she did in triathlons.

Zero empathy from either parent, pretty much ever, when talking about the boys, and I'm thinking that behind the veil of kind tones of voice and polite words, that iciness never abated. If anyone is autistic or narcissistic, it's sadly likely to be the three parents in their lives, not the children.

Now the boys are both out after turning sixteen, one kicked out for dangerous marijuana smoking (smoldering ash in trash cans isn't funny, and I get that) and the other run away, but the family blames it on neurodivergence instead of bad family dynamics all around. Nobody has tried to find the runaway or establish contact with either boy, even after three years including a pandemic. They're completely different with parenting their daughters together of course.

Anyway, this novel shoes how comfortable and easy it is, especially for grandparents, to diagnose children and escape all responsibility for appreciating their personalities and interests. It's probably a big thing now because simply demanding that children should be seen and not heard is no longer done.

hangrylady · 14/07/2022 17:30

TheGreatBobinsky · 12/07/2022 09:38

If she does start to show signs of struggling as she gets older then I will absolutely look into an assessment but currently she just seems like any other just turned 3 year old. Although the PP who mentioned loud noises may have a point, she really hates hand dryers and fans and won't be in the room with them, but my nieces were the same at a similar age and grew out of it so again all I could do is wait and see.

It's extremely common for young kids to hate hand dryers, my son is nearly 10 and still isn't keen. He also finds fireworks and loud music uncomfortable but he's a completely NT child.

bellac11 · 14/07/2022 17:36

I think handryers is a ridiculous example for them to be using anyway, handryer noise is awful, I hate it as an adult, its such a high pitch.

TheGreatBobinsky · 14/07/2022 17:44

@USTeacher thank you for your reply, what an incredibly sad situation for those poor boys 😢 I truly hope they are doing OK now, it sounds like they had a really difficult time. It's a good thing those children have at least one person advocating for them! They all sound like lovely children.

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