When will someone grow a pair and create a proper justice system?

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Ava Whites killer gets 13 years today for stabbing her to death in Liverpool last November.

The judge refused to name him as well.
We just keep hearing crappy sentences and decisions all the time?
All on the side of the offender?

Do you think anything will ever change? Why couldn't we hear the news he's been locked up for 35 years and he has been named?
Someone some balls needs to take charge. Countryside an embarrassment.

The UK judicial system is pretty good, thank goodness we don't have American style sentences. Although they need to do something to keep criminal barristers going to maintain standards. Cases like that of Ava White are always emotive, but I think not naming the perpetrators is good, some gain a sort of cult celebrity status which is far worse.

The judge will have had the full case in front of them to sentence, far more than anyone else. Sentencing guidelines in the UK are actually some of the most fair/acceptable across the globe.

There's no proof that the longer you lock someone up the better type of person they are upon release. If anything it's the opposite.

Prisons really need to be a place of reform and rehabilitation and punishment and extremely long sentences don't serve that purpose for one index offence such as this. So a balance is struck.

The offender is 15, wouldn't be given a whole life tariff, but will now be released when he is in his late 20's but still on life licence. To the day he does he will be monitored and could be recalled at any time for breeching his license, so he will hopefully integrate back in to society reformed and not get a recall.

Prisoners are rarely incarcerated for life so we really do need to strike a balance between punishment/reform/rehabilitation.

Just think a prisoner today could be your neighbour tomorrow.

Really you think a 13 Yr sentence is enough for stabbing her to death plus all the low sentences we hear.

There's no proof that the longer you lock someone up the better type of person they are upon release. If anything it's the opposite.

But surely that's the problem? Murderers and abusers being let out to go and kill or abuse someone else. All well and good being on licence but that doesn't help their next victims.

Nothing is stopping you OP, if you want. Campaign for change. Lobby your MPs. Study our legal system and our laws.

I suspect you won't, because your entire OP suggests ignorance on a massive scale.

I agree , in today's paper that scum couple whose neglect lead to the death of a two yrs old and they get 6yrs , 6 bloody years for a child's life , how the F is that justice .
The judiciary are not in tune with public opinion.

He’s not been named because he’s a minor surely?

And 13 years is a long sentence for a juvenile offender. It’s almost his whole life again.

For me a “proper justice system” would be one that was adequately funded. That means police, courts/tribunals and lawyers. I want the guilty convicted and the innocent to walk free. I want confidence that every trial is a fair one. I want all citizens to have access to justice when they need it.

They haven’t released his identity as he was 14, has SEN and ADHD and is belittling be the victim criminal exploitation

he has been sentenced to a MINIMUM of 13 years not just 13 years

Believed not belittling!

It's a minimum 13 year sentence which will be reviewed at the end of that to see if he is capable of being rehabilitated into society. Probably depends on his behaviour while inside.
I wouldn't hold out much hope since while being interviewed by the police his response was " shut up you nonce". What a little charmer!!
The news report said he wouldn't be named because of concerns about reprisals against his family, although I should imagine a large section of Liverpool locals will already know exactly who he is

I’m with you OP, it’s a system that puts the victim last and leaves the public at risk.

Sen, adhd, etc not a reason to carry a knife, stab someone to death, be clever enough to hide the evidence, clothes he was wearing etc. why shouldnt he be named, he was capable of doing the crime

The judge will have had the full case in front of them to sentence, far more than anyone else.
No matter what the details of the case, the judge can only sentence in line with the guidelines. So I don't blame the judge in this case, I say that the guidelines should be tougher all around. There are of course judges whose sentences and the remarks they give while handing them down fail to display an understanding of the effect that crime has on the victim.

Sentencing guidelines in the UK are actually some of the most fair/acceptable across the globe.
The main consideration dictating the length of sentences in the UK is the need to keep levels of overcrowding in check. That's why the guidelines have been watered down over the years.

There's no proof that the longer you lock someone up the better type of person they are upon release. If anything it's the opposite.
If you lock a burglar up for five years, he won't be reoffending during those five years. He can't be breaking into your house while he's locked in a cell.

Prisons really need to be a place of reform and rehabilitation and punishment and extremely long sentences don't serve that purpose for one index offence such as this. So a balance is struck.
The primary purpose of imprisonment is to keep the public safe. When prolific criminals get locked up their long-suffering neighbours breathe a sigh of relief. Reforming offenders is important too, but when persistent criminals receive one short sentence after another, there's no time to start reforming.

Just think a prisoner today could be your neighbour tomorrow.
Whereas if said prisoner was sentenced to a longer term, he wouldn't be my neighbour for another few years.

How can they blame his stabbing someone to death be about his being exploited?

Isn't the offender a child too? It seems reasonable to withhold his name and have a minimum tariff of 13 years to me.

This is all these threads always need

I agree sentencing in the UK is nonsense. I daresay offenders won't come out better people but if they're locked up for long enough that won't be an issue.
One case that stuck with me a few years ago was the rape of a toddler with injuries so severe the medical staff were described as being in tears and traumatised.
A whole eight years the guy got.

You don't understand. It's not about excusing the stabbing, it's a probable reason as to why his name hasn't been released - to avoid jeopardising any other current criminal trials or investigations in which he is involved.

Part of starting an action could be public discussions, say on a public forum, where you get to understand public opinion and listen to points of debate.

The op may well find other like minded people while doing such a debate or be signposted to a group that already does this sort of activity.

So debating here is pretty much a good thing to do.

thank you for getting it - honestly the main issue with people screaming for justice is they don;t understand the current system - also the judge - with all the facts of the case and background on the defendant is better placed to make a choice about naming him than you are OP.

I work with young offenders - it's daft to dismiss the issues of exploitation, ASD, illiteracy, trauma, FASD, ASD, ODD, shit parenting and the care system when trying to understand why children commit crimes

Yes we see it all the time. Sentences for murder have got right down. Life is cheap sadly.

Why can't teenagers be named? its all on their side.
Some are, some aren't it's not even consistent.

But she was only 13 and had loads of years yet if he hadn't taken it. He will still be free in his 20s.

This is what I struggle with, and how anything acknowledging this is back to sympathy for the murderer. I know and understand that there is dreadful circumstances people grow up in, but I just don't understand how the focus and sympathy always slips to them. Are there really people out there who think murdering children is great and a cool thing to do?

Give the parents a few years in the clink too might make them more responsible for their kids.

You can read the texts he sent to his mother that night clearly no control over him.